Oldfreightdawg

It’s very complex and there is no easy answer. I’ll start with the recall procedure:

Normal AA recall procedures until Sen #9543 (most junior pilot furloughed in February 2010) is offered recall. After #9543 is offered recall, the 422 AE flow-through pilots with AA seniority numbers will be included in the recall process in seniority order.

The next 180 pilots to be recalled after #9543 are AE flow-through pilots. This group of 180 AE pilots have committed to coming to AA as a result of the Nicolau arbitration and cannot decline. Some deferred pilots will then be junior to the AE flow-through pilots being offered recall. These deferred pilots will have to wait until the recall process again reaches their seniority number.

After the 180 flow-through pilots are called to AA, the next pilot to be offered recall will be Sen #9544 and is the pilot junior to #9543 and has never been offered recall. Starting with #9544 there will be 1,163 pilots remaining to be recalled. Mixed in with this group are 91 AE flow-through pilots who will be offered the opportunity to flow up to AA in seniority order. This group of AE pilots cannot defer, they come when offered or lose their AA seniority number. When the last pilot in this group Sen #10807 is offered recall, the three-year deferral clock starts for those still deferring recall.

After this group of pilots will come the remaining 151 AE flow-through pilots who were added to the AA seniority list by the Larocco arbitration. This group of AE pilots also cannot defer, they come when offered or lose their AA seniority number.

Throughout the recall process, any deferred pilot may cancel their deferral and return to
AA in seniority order.

New hires will be next. As a result of the Nicolau arbitration, AE pilots will be offered one out every two new hire slots for 824 AE pilots. After the three-year deferral clock runs out, deferred pilots will be recalled in reverse seniority order (most junior first).

Deferred pilots may not defer longer when called this time. They must accept recall or resign their seniority number.

Right now they are at #9479 or 1722 from the top of the furlough list. They have 12 recalls starting class on December 1, of that 12 they had to call 36 (most of those are deferring) to fill the class. The VP of flight has indicated that the recall process will continue and they expect that new hires will be needed.

Columbia

If someone passes on recall and they keep going down the list, when will that person next be able to accept recall? THX.

Oldfreightdawg

Once a pilot defers, he/she has to notify the company of their intention to cancel their deferral. Usually the company sets a deadline before each recall class for any pilots interested in canceling their deferral. Once the deadline goes by, they have to wait for the next deadline/class date.

Any pilot on deferral can return at any time once they have gone by his/her number so long as there is space in the next class and they have notified the company before the deadline for that particular class.

Make sense?

Mink

I thought the company went "down" the list, and anybody could defer at that time. Once all the way through the list, the company then goes "up" the list (junior to senior) and offers a second chance at return to those that deferred on the first go around. If you pass on this second opportunity, you're done.

Is that not the case?

bailee atr

Excellent post, thank you for explaining that, I always had doubts on how the recall process was gonna work.

EXTW

See post #252

Oldfreightdawg

It is not. A deferring pilot may return anytime they wish. Once the company reaches the end of the list the 3 year clock starts. At the end of the 3 years the company starts back up the list. When they reach any deferrals, they must return at that time.

My guess is that they reach the end of the list sometime in the next 18 months, depending on how many AE pilots flow up. This is based on a deferral rate of about 3 to 1 and a recall rate of 30 per month. This means the most Junior deferral has about 4 years to make a decision. The most senior deferral could easily have 5 or 6 years.

eaglefly

dawg, where do th 180 fit in the current seniority list at AA ?

How many will the most senior of this group have below them actually flying and how many will the most junior have ?

I'm sure this group is spaced out a bit on the list, but curious as how safe this group is from a future rehatcheting of AA pilots for whatever unplanned reason.

Oldfreightdawg

Hey EF

The first couple of guys look pretty safe, looks like the top guy is around 6400ish (out of about 8300 active pilots). After that the next 30 to 40 are tightly packed groups of 10 to 12 with only 5 or 6 deferrals between them. After that it looks pretty scattered, averaging about 1 group of 5 to 10 per 50 recalled/deferrals. The most junior of the group has about 150 recalled pilots below him (or her) now and about 350 deferrals. That's as close as I can guess, the list is literally changing by the minute, and I'm not exactly sure who or where the most junior AE pilot of the group is (although I'm 95% sure I'm within 20 numbers of who it is).

If I had to guess the top third are golden (athough junior). In another 24 months the age 65 group begins to retire. If the airline remains stable/ no growth there should be new hires in the next 18 months.

Hope this helps.

Mink

Copy all, thanks for the explanation. Sorry I missed it in the earlier posts.