Oldfreightdawg

Care to offer a revisionist version of the story?

mwa1

I cannot because as far as I know it did not happen. I am privy to the 2002/3 talks and can tell you for a fact that DOH was not Eagle ALPA's position and that APA cut an ran when Carty started to discuss the pension before the 2003 TA. I can also tell you that the integration was based on the Letter 3/Supp W framework already in place.

Lowcountryg4

Why not just dump AE like all the other Mainline operators have done with their feeders. Let 50- go to the lowest bidder, just like it use to be.

bailee atr

those "top few hundred who already have flowthrough numbers" are already supposed to go to AA before the junior furlough guys, why would they allow them to fly the new 100 seaters before them now.

(Not a flame bait, hijack thread on the arbitrators resolution, just a flaw I see in your hypotheses for the list integration.)

aafurloughee

Thread.

What';s the latest on recalls? What's done is done. let's move on.

bailee atr

Problem is that most other mainline operators have replaced the outsourced 50 seaters with ejets or CRJ900. AA only has 47 aircraft with over 50 seats. Get rid of eagle and AA has no more feed. (except for the 47 aircraft). The only way AA can get rid of AE is if they order larger RJs and APA flies them or outsources it to someone else.

Flyby1206

Flowthrough/flowback is a flawed concept. Onelist is a more workable solution that could benefit labor and mgmt.

Flyby1206

No, good point. Those top flowthroughs are already destined to go to AA when their seniority number is called. No reason they couldn't be called over to fly a 100seater instead of a 737/S80

buddies8

cannot outsorce except the 50 and under seating. anyrhing over 50 is a scope issue.

Mason32

because it makes some money, and allows us to move money around at will.

because based upon recent sales it would not sell for enough to be worth losing total control of the feed.

because as a wholly owned we can change their flying virtually at will, which we can't do with outside subcontractors. example, being stuck with CHQ in ORD now.

because as a wholly owned we have control of the product and can ensure brand protection. As we discovered with the return of aircraft from the outsource company TSA, the planes were not maintaind up to AMR or FAA standards, and they were carrying our passengers on tickets we sold them.

because if we incorporate it into AA, we will be able to advertise ourselves as the only major airline NOT using cheap regional airlines to carry our passengers. May explain why they have been removing "regional jet" from the eagle jets.

because if we continue using outsourced regionals we will always be under the gun to allow ever larger planes... if we comsolidate them, all flying becomes AA-APA flying.... right on down to ATR turboprops.

oh, how many planes does eagle have now? if we consolidate them, do we recoup our position as largest in the world again? For the Dallas TX mentality running this show, that alone would be reason enough to do it.

just a few quick thoughts... I'm sure there are more reasons.

Your solution continues the slow death spiral the industry has been under for decades. Consolidation doesn't