AA Recall Rumor
09-06-2010, 05:38 AM
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A solution, Bates said, might be for American to buy hundreds of 100- to 120-seat jets, eliminate its American Eagle subsidiary and take over the routes flown by 50-seaters. American could then hire the Eagle pilots. The per-seat cost would decline and passengers would be happier with the bigger planes, but not so happy with the reduced frequencies. "I'm hoping that's part of the plan going forward, although I haven't yet broached it with management," Bates said.
09-06-2010, 09:16 AM
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If Eagle is "elimninated" then what happens to the sub-100 seat flying? I agree some of it can be replaced with fewer frequencies on a 100 seater, but there will still be a market for 50 seaters, 70seaters, turboprop flying in the Caribbean, etc. I'm all for creative solutions between the APA/AE ALPA, but lets tie this thing up tight without making matter worse by outsourcing sub-100 seat flying to a 3rd party carrier.
If Eagle is "elimninated" then what happens to the sub-100 seat flying? I agree some of it can be replaced with fewer frequencies on a 100 seater, but there will still be a market for 50 seaters, 70seaters, turboprop flying in the Caribbean, etc. I'm all for creative solutions between the APA/AE ALPA, but lets tie this thing up tight without making matter worse by outsourcing sub-100 seat flying to a 3rd party carrier.
09-06-2010, 11:21 AM
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09-06-2010, 04:51 PM
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In fairness, it was not surprising that AE ALPA resisted because at the time APA wanted nothing to do with AE pilots. In fact, APA worked openly to convince AE pilots to go with ALPA in the late 90's, and ALPA was more than happy to recruit them. Moreover, regional flying was expanding rapidly and it seemed that it was the future.
In retrospect, it is unfortunate that a deal could not be forged. The real question is if a "regional division" can be established who will get the jobs?
09-06-2010, 05:05 PM
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Not altogether impossible. AA proposed to APA and AE ALPA in October of 2000 a "commuter supplement" which encapsulated AE pilots and AA pilots under a single contract and seniority list. ALPA turned it down.
In fairness, it was not surprising that AE ALPA resisted because at the time APA wanted nothing to do with AE pilots. In fact, APA worked openly to convince AE pilots to go with ALPA in the late 90's, and ALPA was more than happy to recruit them. Moreover, regional flying was expanding rapidly and it seemed that it was the future.
In retrospect, it is unfortunate that a deal could not be forged. The real question is if a "regional division" can be established who will get the jobs?
In fairness, it was not surprising that AE ALPA resisted because at the time APA wanted nothing to do with AE pilots. In fact, APA worked openly to convince AE pilots to go with ALPA in the late 90's, and ALPA was more than happy to recruit them. Moreover, regional flying was expanding rapidly and it seemed that it was the future.
In retrospect, it is unfortunate that a deal could not be forged. The real question is if a "regional division" can be established who will get the jobs?
09-06-2010, 06:02 PM
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It's not quite as simple as saying AE ALPA turned it down. You wouldn't have eaten that $h!t sandwich either.
09-07-2010, 05:44 AM
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In the event the Regional Division shrinks before any growth at mainline occurs, RJ pilots will have the opportunity to displace out of the Regional Division into a mainline bid status, provided their seniority can hold something(such as the top few hundred who already have flowthrough numbers with enough seniority to hold S80/737 slots). If nobody proffers to displace then reductions result in a furlough at the Regional Division, which would occur anyways if AE were still a standalone operation.
Its not a perfect solution, but something can be worked out for the best
09-07-2010, 06:49 AM
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Regional Division pilots should be fenced into the current fleet operated by AE. Any growth aircraft like a 100 seater, or additional 70 seaters should be offered to current AA pilots, then furloughed AA pilots. Once all the furloughed guys have been given the opportunity you can drop the fences for the Regional Division pilots to bid whatever their seniority can hold (probably not much different than what they are currently flying).
In the event the Regional Division shrinks before any growth at mainline occurs, RJ pilots will have the opportunity to displace out of the Regional Division into a mainline bid status, provided their seniority can hold something(such as the top few hundred who already have flowthrough numbers with enough seniority to hold S80/737 slots). If nobody proffers to displace then reductions result in a furlough at the Regional Division, which would occur anyways if AE were still a standalone operation.
Its not a perfect solution, but something can be worked out for the best
In the event the Regional Division shrinks before any growth at mainline occurs, RJ pilots will have the opportunity to displace out of the Regional Division into a mainline bid status, provided their seniority can hold something(such as the top few hundred who already have flowthrough numbers with enough seniority to hold S80/737 slots). If nobody proffers to displace then reductions result in a furlough at the Regional Division, which would occur anyways if AE were still a standalone operation.
Its not a perfect solution, but something can be worked out for the best
wow, sounds like you guys want a flow through, flow back program again....
how'd that work for ya last time?
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