VX Orders 40 + 20 Options for Airbus A320
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 40
I wish I knew what to tell everyone out there. I have a rec. in for a friend of mine at the regionals. He has around 6,000tt 1,200pic, a glider rating, is ex USAF ATC, has three other internals besides me and this is the only company he would ever work for if offered the job, but he can't even get the on-line assessment sent to him. It just sounds so completely random and is frustrating to those of us on the inside as well.
I can say this. We run at about 75 block hours per pilot per month which equates to 6-7 crews per plane. As we add one plane a month we will upgrade between 6-8 FO's to the left seat. In order to replace those upgrades and add staffing for the next delivery we will need to put 12-16 new hires in the right seat every month through 2016, and this is what we are hearing from the head office as well. From what I understand, applicants can try again after 12 months. We have well over 10,000 applicants with an average of 11,000+ total time. It will be a long time before we see 1,500 pilots on the property and slow, controlled growth is still working in favor of the hiring people.
That being said, the FAA is going to make 1,500tt the minimum to get on with a regional, there are only 60,000 student pilots in the U.S. of which maybe 3,000 will make it to the commercials (according to some survey which I read an article about), and the age 65 rule will run out by the end of 2012. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a massive shortage of pilots in this country by mid-decade. Unfortunately none of this helps my buddy or any of you today.
Good luck everyone!
I can say this. We run at about 75 block hours per pilot per month which equates to 6-7 crews per plane. As we add one plane a month we will upgrade between 6-8 FO's to the left seat. In order to replace those upgrades and add staffing for the next delivery we will need to put 12-16 new hires in the right seat every month through 2016, and this is what we are hearing from the head office as well. From what I understand, applicants can try again after 12 months. We have well over 10,000 applicants with an average of 11,000+ total time. It will be a long time before we see 1,500 pilots on the property and slow, controlled growth is still working in favor of the hiring people.
That being said, the FAA is going to make 1,500tt the minimum to get on with a regional, there are only 60,000 student pilots in the U.S. of which maybe 3,000 will make it to the commercials (according to some survey which I read an article about), and the age 65 rule will run out by the end of 2012. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a massive shortage of pilots in this country by mid-decade. Unfortunately none of this helps my buddy or any of you today.
Good luck everyone!
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#14
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: 747 FO
Posts: 937
Yes, but I have no idea how to get in, or how they'll be able to hire enough people to fly the new airplanes. I just got my rejection. 12,000+ TT, mostly jet, 5,000+ PIC, plenty of glass, absolutely spotless record, not even a speeding ticket ever, gobs of quality customer service experience, I'm the guy who gets along with everyone on the company's roster and I even had a couple internal recs. that said so, good GPA in college, and even a decent haircut. This was the first unsuccessful interview of my career, and it wasn't just me; I know a dozen other experienced, safe, all-around excellent pilots that they've turned down also. Have no idea what they could be looking for (obviously). They do read these web-boards too, so maybe they'll start placing hints out here, so they won't have to reject so many of us. It seems like a good job for those who can crack the code.
Perhaps your haircut wasn't metro enough.
Seriously, I know it's frustrating as I was in similar situation several years ago when I interviewed with Jet Blue. It just so happens that them turning me down was a blessing in disguise because shortly afterwards, I got a great job.
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The airline industry is poised to come back stronger than you might think!
#16
Yes, but I have no idea how to get in, or how they'll be able to hire enough people to fly the new airplanes. I just got my rejection. 12,000+ TT, mostly jet, 5,000+ PIC, plenty of glass, absolutely spotless record, not even a speeding ticket ever, gobs of quality customer service experience, I'm the guy who gets along with everyone on the company's roster and I even had a couple internal recs. that said so, good GPA in college, and even a decent haircut. This was the first unsuccessful interview of my career, and it wasn't just me; I know a dozen other experienced, safe, all-around excellent pilots that they've turned down also. Have no idea what they could be looking for (obviously). They do read these web-boards too, so maybe they'll start placing hints out here, so they won't have to reject so many of us. It seems like a good job for those who can crack the code.
Keep your chin up - the industry will turn around in a couple of years with age 65, new rest requirements and the new ATP requirement all kicking in soon. Having three furloughs under my belt, I know it can be frustrating. Best of luck.
#17
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2009
Position: A320
Posts: 236
I tend to agree. This industry is soooo cyclical. All signs are pointing to a swing in momentum for both our companies and our labor groups. With an increase in total flying by the paying public, coupled with the overal reduction in national capacity; All companies will have sronger pricing power moving into 2011. As long at this shakey recover continues to hold. In addition with the recent passing of the 1500hr and rest rules there are bound to be many more positions available in the US for us to fill. Eventually this hopefully will give us all a better barganing position to get better contracts.
Good luck to us all.
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