1500hr / ATP for Part 121 rule passes
07-21-2010, 08:00 PM
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This may serve to keep pilots IN the military. How many TACAIR guys have 1500 hours at the end of their commitment? That's why the airlines in the past have multiplied TACAIR time by a factor of 1.2 when hiring. If the law is a hard 1500 then there are military pilots who won't qualify. And if they have to stay beyond their initial commitment then they might as well do 20 and THEN go to the airlines.
I see 2 things may happen; many will not become pilots if regional pay stays as it is. Why waste 60k or more to become a pilot when I’m only going to make 30k at a regional for x amount of years. Of course the recruiters will sell: “you will be Capt or in a Major in 3 years and making 80k plus!!” Which we all know is bull!!
Secondly, many will start and not get done. Not everyone has what it takes to teach for a year and it will be really hard to build time any other way.
Unless you buy time or buy your own Plane. Which not everyone can do and it would be a waste of money in my option.
Secondly, many will start and not get done. Not everyone has what it takes to teach for a year and it will be really hard to build time any other way.
Unless you buy time or buy your own Plane. Which not everyone can do and it would be a waste of money in my option.
07-21-2010, 08:29 PM
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07-21-2010, 08:40 PM
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Okay, correct me if I am wrong, but the Captain of 3407 had some 3,300+ hrs and the F/O 2,200+ hrs (Both qualified for an ATP).
Also please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't stall awareness and recovery lesson #2 after learning to fly straight and level....?
Also PLEASE help me understand who in their right mind would go through a 60,000+ dollar education to start out making 16$ an hour on reserve. Sleeping in crash pads, eating 3 meals a day out of vending machines, and flying all-night sleep deprived and sick...
There are almost 90,000 flights in the US daily. A decent proportion of these flights have a crew member with less the 1500 hours... I'd say these none-ATP licensed pilots have a decent safety record for getting people where they need to go on time.
If passengers want pilots with 1500 hours to fly in airline cockpits. Then why are they not compensating these pilots for the 1500 hours of crap they got to eat to get there? Heart surgeons get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year because they are directly responsible for a persons life on a daily basis. Why are pilots making less the 20K yearly when they are responsible for 50+ lives, for 7 legs a day?
Please HELP me understand some of this better... It seems to me that this Bill is a knee jerk reaction to the FACT that Pilots CAN screw up (regardless of experience), and when they do people die....
Also please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't stall awareness and recovery lesson #2 after learning to fly straight and level....?
Also PLEASE help me understand who in their right mind would go through a 60,000+ dollar education to start out making 16$ an hour on reserve. Sleeping in crash pads, eating 3 meals a day out of vending machines, and flying all-night sleep deprived and sick...
There are almost 90,000 flights in the US daily. A decent proportion of these flights have a crew member with less the 1500 hours... I'd say these none-ATP licensed pilots have a decent safety record for getting people where they need to go on time.
If passengers want pilots with 1500 hours to fly in airline cockpits. Then why are they not compensating these pilots for the 1500 hours of crap they got to eat to get there? Heart surgeons get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year because they are directly responsible for a persons life on a daily basis. Why are pilots making less the 20K yearly when they are responsible for 50+ lives, for 7 legs a day?
Please HELP me understand some of this better... It seems to me that this Bill is a knee jerk reaction to the FACT that Pilots CAN screw up (regardless of experience), and when they do people die....
07-21-2010, 08:40 PM
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07-21-2010, 09:01 PM
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I agree with those of you who say the 1500 hour flight time limitation wouldn't have necessarily helped in the Colgan accident but.....who cares what ultimately brings about a change like this? We all know that a 250 hour pilot has no business flying an airliner. I don't care if the unfortunate Colgan accident brings a change or if 400 elected Congress simultaneously have a vision from last night's sleep. Whatever brings about a necessary change is fine with me. If needed, they can "refine" the 1500 hour requirement later (and I think they will)
07-21-2010, 09:22 PM
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heart surgeons dont vote on contracts. Why are 7 yr fos flying 75 plus seat jets making less than 40 grand a year? We all are worth more, so i dont know that the publics outcry of more experienced pilots is going to do pay wise. Regionals have got to step it up when negotiation times come up for work rules and pay.
07-21-2010, 09:37 PM
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I remember talking to B-29 vets who said that all the airlines were after them back in the day after WWII because they had the military equivalents of "unlimited" civilian licenses. One of them (who last I know lived in Montana) didn't fly a single minute after the end of the war and had to keep turning offers down into the 50s.
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