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Nothing....but it makes the stack of resume's on a recruiter's desk that much smaller.

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Denny Crane

A 4 year degree shows a potential employer many things. You have the perseverence (sp?) to see things through and you are an educationally and intellectually well rounded individual among other things. Now I'm not saying those individuals that don't have a 4 year degree are any less well rounded etc. just that a 4 year degree emphasizes this to a potential employer.

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FlyJSH

The reason a company requires a four year degree is ...... because they CAN.

Some companies want jet time, others heavy time, and a few require a specific type rating. Why? Because they get enough applicants who have those specific qualifications.

bleedairpacks

Thought this thread was about pilots exceeding 1500 hrs a year. We've got a few of them at my company. Haha!

ATCsaidDoWhat

Question is: Why is ALPA still lobbying the ARC to reduce the hours to 750 if someone has a 4 year degree from an ABBI accredited college. And why AOPA, NBAA and the ATA are all on board with the idea too.

Possible reasons:

NBAA/ATA- Less experience means lower pay
AOPA- Keep people interested and keep GA moving
ALPA-more bodies...more dues

Interesting too that the other members of the ARC, who are opposed to lowering standards are finding it very hard to be heard.

Look for a recommendation of an ATP with 750 hours and a 4 year degree...and a pronouncement of "Brilliant!" by ALPA, AOPA, NBAA and ATA, to which Babbitt will say..."the wise men have spoken..."

globalexpress

How do YOU know that ALPA is "lobbying" for what you claim? I doubt they are lobbying for low time pilots in the cockpit, but realize they may not get everything they want. Maybe there are other entities that have interests and THEY are lobbying for such a position? Entities like aeronautical universities for example also have input, do they not? So maybe ALPA realizes that it won't get everything it wants so it has to compromise like we all do when negotiating with with many parties with varied interests concerning complex legislation?

odog1121

I think you've got to give people that want to enter this career some sort of incentive to go beyond a high school diploma. Do we really want to be perceived as an "uneducated" workforce? If you want to talk about increasing the barrier to entry, it's much easier and takes much less time to obtain 1500hrs than 750 and a college degree.

sleepy1456

I gotta add my two cents... I know I may get flamed for this but need to say sumin I am not for the rule nor against it.

I don't mean to be a hater, but they're are a lot pilots who agree with the rule, and they themselves were hired by airline when they had 250hrs. (2007 )

I believe the rule may increase pay by a smudge, but it will not produce better pilots. A Commercial pilot instrument current and ready to learn at 250 hrs is better than a 1500hr CFI who is the bomb at steep turns. I'm sorry but the captain of the Colgan airlines crash had double 1500hrs. And yes he messed up, but we are human. These mistakes will happen! Whether it be 250hr pilot, or captain with 30 plus yrs of experience ( and 250hr pilots can't even sit left seat). **** happens, we are not immune from it.

Why should people be able to dictate our job... What if I told everyone in order to be able to perform the duties of their job, they must acquire a PHD. Would this be fair??? After all they went through for training? The answer is no. A 250hr pilot is just as qualified as a 1500hr pilot sitting right seat.

It's sad to see how you pilots just stand by and let other people make up rules about commercial flying. So all you guys thinking you won, you did not. You just let politics make a thoughtless rule.

FlyJSH

Of all the pilots who work for a 121 carrier, I would bet my paycheck 90+ percent were hired at or above ATP minimums. And those 90 percent are the ones who are ECSTATIC about the passage of this law.

I agree, mistakes will happen. But anyone who has 250 hours and jumps into a transport category airplane has LESS stick and rudder skills than someone with 1500 hours. And those skills, or lack there of, show up when the airplane inadvertently gets into a stall, wake turbulence, wind shear, or any other unusual attitude.

Quit crying, get some experience flying boxes, THEN move on to flying a bunch of people.

TonyWilliams

That's what happens in civilization. Some people make rules. Some people fly planes. I prefer not to have the people making rules actually fly the planes

Nobody is sitting on the sidelines on the issue. Every alphabet soup group has walked up to capital hill to tell them why their particular issue should be addressed. ALPA most definitely was, and they seem to favor your view towards less hours. Obviously the airlines prefer less hours because it's cheaper for them.

Most pilots, however, seem to think otherwise. So does Mr. and Mrs. Sixpack, who are voting for the guys who make laws, and buying the airplane tickets.

The single biggest benefit will be a slight restriction of how many cheap, entry level pilots there will ultimately be in the market. That's good for all pilots. Unfortunately, we will then end up with guys with LESS than 250 hours and a fresh Multi-Crew Pilot License, who have largely never piloted any airplane (all sim time), cannot rent a Cessna (because they won't be able to act as PIC in any plane), and who will guarantee that pilots will remain cheap.