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Old 08-09-2010, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
To add, it also appears ATP is encouraging the 4 year degree now also which is a good thing.

This is the first peice of legislation in a long time that I'm glad to see!
Yep that Art history degree is going to come in handy when everything goes to hell in a handbag. I'll take someone I can have a normal conversation with and has enough common sense not to get us killed. If they happen to have a 4 year degree, good for them but I certainly wouldn't look down my nose at them for not. This is going to cost enough to get the training you really do need why add the burden of a bunch a crap you don't need to know for $50k.

We are going to see a massive spike in cargo haulers charging for the right seat so the poor bastards trying to get into the industry (for some reason) can build enough time. That's only going to make the underpaid captain a flight instructor now. Can't wait for the NTSB reports.
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Is your picture an old CHQ instructor?? I seem to remember having him somewhere along the way. Every story started with "Back at TWA on the -9 . . . . ."
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I gotta think that ' SG ' Avatar is most definitely the Chief of Police from ' Police Squad ' and the ' Naked Gun ' Series....
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Don't you heathens know that is Joe Patroni?

Airport (1970)
Joe Patroni (Character)

Mel Bakersfeld: Joe, this is Mel. There's no more time. Stop all engines and get out. Repeat. Stop all engines.
Cockpit qualified young man: Mr. Patroni, she won't take much more.
Joe Patroni: Well anyway, she's gonna get it.
Mel Bakersfeld: Joe, the plows are moving. Shut down and hold on! Joe Patroni! Do you read me? Acknowledge!
Mel Bakersfeld: Joe! Shut down!
Cockpit qualified young man: Mr. Patroni? Don't you hear him? Shut down.
Joe Patroni: I can't hear a thing. There's too much noise. Hold on. We're GOIN FOR BROKE!
Cockpit qualified young man: [after the plane gets out of the ditch] The instruction book said that was impossible.
Joe Patroni: That's one nice thing about the 707. It can do everything BUT read.
[throws his chewed and soggy cigar over his shoulder]
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Old 08-09-2010, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Gajre539
It seems like ATP is working on a way around the 1500 hour requirement...

College Degree Program
A.S. / B.S. in Airline Transport Professional Pilot Operations

In just 16 months, you can achieve your commercial pilot certificate and flight instructor certificates to begin earning income in your new career. Finish your online degree coursework and graduate with an airline-respected bachelor's degree in Airline Transport Professional Pilot Operations.

The President recently signed into law H.R. 5900, which requires pilots to have 1500 hours of flight experience and an ATP certificate to qualify for airline employment. MSU's degree program positions you to build that level of qualifications within the typical four-year degree timeline by accomplishing your commercial pilot and flight instructor certification in just 16 months.


ATP Flight School: Aviation Degree - A.S. & B.S. in Airline Transport Professional Pilot Operations
Just sounds like after one finishes the CFI, there is a "guaranteed" job instructing for ATP. The Comair Aviation Academy (now Delta Connection Academy) has been doing the same sort of thing for 20 years.
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
To add, it also appears ATP is encouraging the 4 year degree now also which is a good thing. This is the first peice of legislation in a long time that I'm glad to see!
What does a 4 year degree have to do with flying an airplane other than cost money?
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What does a 4 year degree have to do with flying an airplane other than cost money?
Shows the majors that you can actually COMPLETE, ACCOMPLISH & FINISH what you started, like training.
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Originally Posted by grdprox
Shows the majors that you can actually COMPLETE, ACCOMPLISH & FINISH what you started, like training.
You're not going to make it far enough to hurt anybody if you don't make it through training so your point is moot unless you're a recruiter at an airline.

Yes it is Petroni! Some of you boys need to put down the game controllers and go back and review your Airplane tragedy movies from the 70's.
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
STILL GROUNDED,

Is your picture an old CHQ instructor?? I seem to remember having him somewhere along the way. Every story started with "Back at TWA on the -9 . . . . ."
Haha I know exactly who you're talking about
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
The law says now for 1500 hours. 36 months to gain it if currently flying part 121.

But, I don't think any of these airlines will be hiring anybody today with less than 1500 hours.
I have to quibble with your reading of this section. In the section, Prospective Flight Crewmembers (bold), it makes no reference to the number of hours needed. It is only in the section, All Flight Crewmembers (underlined), that is says an ATP is required three years after enactment. In other words, pilots can still be hired right now with less than 1500 as long as they meet the ATP standard three years after the implementation. Of course, the closer we come to the three year date, the less likely to hire with less than 1500 hours.

All of the interpretations I've seen from aviation analysts suggest this is how the rule is to be implemented. I admitt we could all be wrong though.

SEC. 216. FLIGHT CREWMEMBER SCREENING AND QUALIFICATIONS.

(a) Requirements-

(1) RULEMAKING PROCEEDING- The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall conduct a rulemaking proceeding to require part 121 air carriers to develop and implement means and methods for ensuring that flight crewmembers have proper qualifications and experience.


(2) MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS-

(A) PROSPECTIVE FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that prospective flight crewmembers undergo comprehensive preemployment screening, including an assessment of the skills, aptitudes, airmanship, and suitability of each applicant for a position as a flight crewmember in terms of functioning effectively in the air carrier’s operational environment.


(B) ALL FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that, after the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, all flight crewmembers--

(i) have obtained an airline transport pilot certificate under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations; and


(ii) have appropriate multi-engine aircraft flight experience, as determined by the Administrator.
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