1500hr / ATP for Part 121 rule passes
08-06-2010, 07:46 AM
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08-06-2010, 07:54 AM
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If I had a dollar for each newbie who asked this....
How about reading any one of the three threads on this subject since the question has been answered several times in each.
Or better yet, read the bill (now law) yourself
Read The Bill: H.R. 5900 - GovTrack.us
Seems to me anyone unwilling to do a little research is probably unwilling to work hard enough to get an ATP.
How about reading any one of the three threads on this subject since the question has been answered several times in each.
Or better yet, read the bill (now law) yourself
Read The Bill: H.R. 5900 - GovTrack.us
Seems to me anyone unwilling to do a little research is probably unwilling to work hard enough to get an ATP.
These people crack me up, "Read the Bill"? who has time to read the bill?
08-06-2010, 07:58 AM
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(I) have obtained an airline transport pilot certificate under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations; and
(II) have appropriate multi-engine aircraft flight experience, as determined by the Administrator.
08-06-2010, 08:00 AM
#334
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I stand corrected (I actually posted the pertinent parts of the bill in this thread !!! )
08-06-2010, 08:25 AM
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There will always be enough pilots. The only thing that ever changes is the qualifications of those pilots.
It's easy to get pilots. All you have to do is be willing to compromise on "qualifications" that were usually self-imposed.
- Four year college degree. Is that really necessary? No!
- Dispense with age requirements. Remember the days when, if you were 30-yrs-old, you might as well have been 100-yrs-old as far as getting hired was concerned?
- Dispense with any medical requirement beyond that needed to hold a Class I medical certificate. There's no point in even giving the interviewees a medical exam, really. If they can produce a Class I medical - they're "good to go."
One thing I've never done: I've never flattered myself to the extent that I thought I couldn't be replaced.
Believe me, there's always somebody willing to do your job ... for less.
I think back to the genesis of the B-scale. When American Airlines announced that all newly hired pilots would be making HALF (not 33% less) of the regular pay scale FOREVER (no 5-yr parity), many people thought, "How are they going to get anybody to agree to that? They won't be able to find any pilots."
Baloney! They were lining up in droves to get that job.
When you tell a 23-yr-old kid, who is flight instructing and sweeping hangars, "Hey, how'd you like to be an American Airline pilot? You can fly an MD-80 and make up to 30,000/yr. And in five years, you will be a Captain making almost $65,000. How does that sound?"
There were plenty of them who said, "Where do I sign?"
08-06-2010, 08:31 AM
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When you tell a 23-yr-old kid, who is flight instructing and sweeping hangars, "Hey, how'd you like to be an American Airline pilot? You can fly an MD-80 and make up to 30,000/yr. And in five years, you will be a Captain making almost $65,000. How does that sound?"
There were plenty of them who said, "Where do I sign?"
There were plenty of them who said, "Where do I sign?"
And the flip side.... how many senior guys said, "Sure, I'll take a pay raise / bigger jet to fly, in exchange for more "little" contracted out jets, poverty starting wages for those beneath me, and-or / B scale / C scale."
08-06-2010, 10:06 AM
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That's the truth!
There will always be enough pilots. The only thing that ever changes is the qualifications of those pilots.
It's easy to get pilots. All you have to do is be willing to compromise on "qualifications" that were usually self-imposed.
One thing I've never done: I've never flattered myself to the extent that I thought I couldn't be replaced.
Believe me, there's always somebody willing to do your job ... for less.
I think back to the genesis of the B-scale. When American Airlines announced that all newly hired pilots would be making HALF (not 33% less) of the regular pay scale FOREVER (no 5-yr parity), many people thought, "How are they going to get anybody to agree to that? They won't be able to find any pilots."
Baloney! They were lining up in droves to get that job.
When you tell a 23-yr-old kid, who is flight instructing and sweeping hangars, "Hey, how'd you like to be an American Airline pilot? You can fly an MD-80 and make up to 30,000/yr. And in five years, you will be a Captain making almost $65,000. How does that sound?"
There were plenty of them who said, "Where do I sign?"
There will always be enough pilots. The only thing that ever changes is the qualifications of those pilots.
It's easy to get pilots. All you have to do is be willing to compromise on "qualifications" that were usually self-imposed.
- Four year college degree. Is that really necessary? No!
- Dispense with age requirements. Remember the days when, if you were 30-yrs-old, you might as well have been 100-yrs-old as far as getting hired was concerned?
- Dispense with any medical requirement beyond that needed to hold a Class I medical certificate. There's no point in even giving the interviewees a medical exam, really. If they can produce a Class I medical - they're "good to go."
One thing I've never done: I've never flattered myself to the extent that I thought I couldn't be replaced.
Believe me, there's always somebody willing to do your job ... for less.
I think back to the genesis of the B-scale. When American Airlines announced that all newly hired pilots would be making HALF (not 33% less) of the regular pay scale FOREVER (no 5-yr parity), many people thought, "How are they going to get anybody to agree to that? They won't be able to find any pilots."
Baloney! They were lining up in droves to get that job.
When you tell a 23-yr-old kid, who is flight instructing and sweeping hangars, "Hey, how'd you like to be an American Airline pilot? You can fly an MD-80 and make up to 30,000/yr. And in five years, you will be a Captain making almost $65,000. How does that sound?"
There were plenty of them who said, "Where do I sign?"
08-09-2010, 08:15 AM
#338
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It seems like ATP is working on a way around the 1500 hour requirement...
College Degree Program
A.S. / B.S. in Airline Transport Professional Pilot Operations
In just 16 months, you can achieve your commercial pilot certificate and flight instructor certificates to begin earning income in your new career. Finish your online degree coursework and graduate with an airline-respected bachelor's degree in Airline Transport Professional Pilot Operations.
The President recently signed into law H.R. 5900, which requires pilots to have 1500 hours of flight experience and an ATP certificate to qualify for airline employment. MSU's degree program positions you to build that level of qualifications within the typical four-year degree timeline by accomplishing your commercial pilot and flight instructor certification in just 16 months.
ATP Flight School: Aviation Degree - A.S. & B.S. in Airline Transport Professional Pilot Operations
College Degree Program
A.S. / B.S. in Airline Transport Professional Pilot Operations
In just 16 months, you can achieve your commercial pilot certificate and flight instructor certificates to begin earning income in your new career. Finish your online degree coursework and graduate with an airline-respected bachelor's degree in Airline Transport Professional Pilot Operations.
The President recently signed into law H.R. 5900, which requires pilots to have 1500 hours of flight experience and an ATP certificate to qualify for airline employment. MSU's degree program positions you to build that level of qualifications within the typical four-year degree timeline by accomplishing your commercial pilot and flight instructor certification in just 16 months.
ATP Flight School: Aviation Degree - A.S. & B.S. in Airline Transport Professional Pilot Operations
08-09-2010, 08:37 AM
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I didn't read the entire page, but it seems to me that they aren't trying to work around the 1500 hours, rather they are trying to entice people by offering an accelerated program to their CFI. I'm not saying it's a good deal, I'm just saying I think that's the angle they are taking. 16 months from zero to CFI, to start building towards the 1500 hour requirement. At least it appears that the ads of private to right seat in an RJ are fading away.
08-09-2010, 02:01 PM
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I didn't read the entire page, but it seems to me that they aren't trying to work around the 1500 hours, rather they are trying to entice people by offering an accelerated program to their CFI. I'm not saying it's a good deal, I'm just saying I think that's the angle they are taking. 16 months from zero to CFI, to start building towards the 1500 hour requirement. At least it appears that the ads of private to right seat in an RJ are fading away.
This is the first peice of legislation in a long time that I'm glad to see!
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