1500hr / ATP for Part 121 rule passes
08-03-2010, 05:49 AM
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I must be having a bad day because I'm still a bit hazy on this issue. I guess it doesn't really matter how I see it, just how the FAA implements it. Having said that, I understood the language to mean a pilot, like me for instance, could be hired tomorrow with 1300 hours and meet the rule as long as the ATP minimums were met when the three year window closed.
I guess I was under the impression the three year grace period was provided in order to allow the airlines to bring their pilot groups, both current and soon to be hired, into accordance with the law. Since the three years was mentioned, it would seem odd to have an immediate implementation of the law. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, it's just I don't see anyone else mentioning that as the case.
I was reading an article on allatps.com where Kit Darby, an aviation consulatant, mentioned the law would take three years to fully implement. He and I could be very wrong though.
I guess I was under the impression the three year grace period was provided in order to allow the airlines to bring their pilot groups, both current and soon to be hired, into accordance with the law. Since the three years was mentioned, it would seem odd to have an immediate implementation of the law. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, it's just I don't see anyone else mentioning that as the case.
I was reading an article on allatps.com where Kit Darby, an aviation consulatant, mentioned the law would take three years to fully implement. He and I could be very wrong though.
08-03-2010, 05:52 AM
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Actually... to be a part 135 PIC under VFR, you need 500TT, 100 XC, 25 night; under IFR, it's 1200TT, 500 XC, 100 night and 75 instrument... now, if it's a jet, they have to have ATP. Reference FAR 135.243 (b) and (c).
Also, under no circumstances would you ever have a 1000 hour PIC of an airliner... ATP is a requirement to be a PIC under Part 121, and in order to be one, you need 1500TT.
Also, under no circumstances would you ever have a 1000 hour PIC of an airliner... ATP is a requirement to be a PIC under Part 121, and in order to be one, you need 1500TT.
08-03-2010, 06:14 AM
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How about serving a couple tours in Iraq / Afghanistan ?
How about a voluntary leave ?
How about a lengthy medical issue ?
How about going into some other job at the airline they were hired at (training, quality assurance, etc) ?
08-03-2010, 01:38 PM
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Alright the whole "paying your dues" thing has got to stop... Its not as easy as going to flight instruct for a year to get your time up... I instructed full time for 2 and a half years and was only able to get up to 820something. You cannot live on that little money especially when you have a family, and if you think its possible, you are an idiot. This rule is just making things a lot harder for us, and for the airlines and its going to be extremely detrimental to the amount of people who want to train to be professional pilots. There is already a huge void in the number of students because of the economy, and now even less will want to start because its that much harder to get there.
I am not saying overall this bill wont be helpful to the career, but dont spout off saying its as easy as going and instructing for a year because we all know thats crap in this economy...
I am not saying overall this bill wont be helpful to the career, but dont spout off saying its as easy as going and instructing for a year because we all know thats crap in this economy...
So what you're saying is because it's hard... people won't want to do it. Thank GOD! I wouldn't want to work with them anyway.
08-03-2010, 09:19 PM
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Hi!
The bill is done. Congress told the FAA the final rule has to be in effect 3 years after the bill was signed. I'm not sure if the FAA can put it into effect sooner.
The FAA is to provide the details of how the ATP/1500 requirement will work. If Congress does not like how the FAA wrote the rule, Congress can change the rule (like how much credit for XXX, and how much the 1500 hrs could be reduced, and which organizations will be able to reduce the hour requirement).
The Flight/Duty/Rest rules have to be implemented within one year.
cliff
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The bill is done. Congress told the FAA the final rule has to be in effect 3 years after the bill was signed. I'm not sure if the FAA can put it into effect sooner.
The FAA is to provide the details of how the ATP/1500 requirement will work. If Congress does not like how the FAA wrote the rule, Congress can change the rule (like how much credit for XXX, and how much the 1500 hrs could be reduced, and which organizations will be able to reduce the hour requirement).
The Flight/Duty/Rest rules have to be implemented within one year.
cliff
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08-04-2010, 11:13 AM
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Really? So what you are saying is that every civilian pilot trains and breifs and debriefs for hours every single flight? Are you saying that the a military aircraft commander's 250 hours is equal to the civilian pilot with the same amount of time and a wet commercial certificate?
Last edited by TonyWilliams; 08-05-2010 at 02:05 AM. Reason: fixing quote
08-04-2010, 01:08 PM
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It doesn't take an economics major to know that increasing the required hours six fold to get on at a regional airline will translate to more people deciding it just isn't feasible to become an airline pilot. This will further exacerbate the current downward trend in people getting into aviation.
Additionally, there are many foreign airlines that are creating "cadet" programs where they train their future pilot's themselves...in exchange for some sort of training bond. This will mean less foreign pilots will be training here as well.
Both of these scenarios will reduce the aggregate number of CFI hours per year, translating into both fewer CFI jobs and a smaller workload per CFI.
Flying checks used to be a great way to timebuild as well, and those days are now gone because checks can now be transmitted electronically.
I feel for the pilots who just started training. They face a tough situation with the passage of this bill. And no, not all low time pilots are "bad pilots". I've flown with some people with just a couple hundred hours who are better pilots than some of my friends with upwards of 20,000 hours.
In my opinion, what Airline training programs should be standardized and regulated by the FAA. This would essentially mean that anyone who passes one of these more stringent checkrides would be qualified to fly 121....whether you have 800 hours or 1500 hours. And don't give me any crap about a government agency not being able to handle something like this....as we all can agree the Air Force and Navy put out some of the best pilots in the world and those are both government agencies!
08-04-2010, 03:17 PM
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It doesn't take an economics major to know that increasing the required hours six fold to get on at a regional airline will translate to more people deciding it just isn't feasible to become an airline pilot. This will further exacerbate the current downward trend in people getting into aviation.
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