TonyWilliams

Sounds AWESOME !!!! Maybe they won't offer $3500/month for an experienced CRJ captain, like I just read on the internet.

ToiletDuck

If you're willing to do what it takes there are jobs out there. My first gig wasn't being a CFI. I had resumes out at every FBO I could find online, several hundreds, and finally got a call at a place I was interested in. Until that call came I spent my time flying for the oil field. All the flying you could ever want. Didn't pay for ish but fresh out of college and tired of manual labor in the fields made me take it. Just like being my CFI experience it feels great to say I made it through but I'll never ever do it again. But I found it in a classified and went for it. I was first there, hired on the spot, flying that evening.

There might not be jobs flying right where you live who'll give you medical and decent pay but there are jobs out there. You might have to pick up and move, join the military, etc but they're there. Either you want it bad enough or you don't. 1500hrs isn't hard to get, it just takes time.

DashDriverYV

Takes about 1500 Hours

TurboDog

Well, he said that this is one of the main issues they are having problems with. A 3 year grace period does pretty much nothing. I pilot can literally build over 3000 hour of flight time in 3 years. So I think they are trying to get to a point where if a guy only needs a few hundred hours and he has flown with them already for a few hundred in the 121 environment, then they will give that guy a grace period to get up to the new standard. However, if a guy got hired with 300 hours TT and got up to 500 hours TT before he was furloughed, then that guy would have to go get the experience elsewhere and then come back with preferential hiring and obviously a re-evaluation of his/her skills. He is 1000 hours away from meeting the standard.

It sounds like they don't want the public to view this "grace period" as a period of time that an inexperienced pilot can learn and gain experience. They want the public to be assured that the pilots are well qualified for their jobs.

Think about this for a moment. If part 135 has always required at Min. 1200 TT for VFR and 1500 for IFR, then why has the FAA been allowing pilots with as little as 300 TT behind the controls of Turboprop or Jet. Granted there isn't any part 121 Single pilot ops, but even part 121 at some place like Colgan you could be a PIC of a commercial airliner with 1000TT.

TurboDog

If this were the case and they had 3 years to get 1500, there would be no pilots at 121 carriers with under ATP mins anyway. From the date it's put into place carriers won't be able to hire with less than ATP mins. Say a pilot was hired tomorrow with 500 TT, it couldn't possibly take someone 3 years to reach 1500 TT.

RJSAviator76

Actually... to be a part 135 PIC under VFR, you need 500TT, 100 XC, 25 night; under IFR, it's 1200TT, 500 XC, 100 night and 75 instrument... now, if it's a jet, they have to have ATP. Reference FAR 135.243 (b) and (c).

Also, under no circumstances would you ever have a 1000 hour PIC of an airliner... ATP is a requirement to be a PIC under Part 121, and in order to be one, you need 1500TT.

Whacker77

I must be having a bad day because I'm still a bit hazy on this issue. I guess it doesn't really matter how I see it, just how the FAA implements it. Having said that, I understood the language to mean a pilot, like me for instance, could be hired tomorrow with 1300 hours and meet the rule as long as the ATP minimums were met when the three year window closed.

I guess I was under the impression the three year grace period was provided in order to allow the airlines to bring their pilot groups, both current and soon to be hired, into accordance with the law. Since the three years was mentioned, it would seem odd to have an immediate implementation of the law. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, it's just I don't see anyone else mentioning that as the case.

I was reading an article on allatps.com where Kit Darby, an aviation consulatant, mentioned the law would take three years to fully implement. He and I could be very wrong though.

Whacker77

I think this section of the law might help clear up some of the confusion, or maybe not. Anyway, I think the section in bold states pilots can still be hired without an ATP as long as they have an ATP three years after the enactment. Three years after the enactment a pilot must have an ATP to be hired. I've reread the section several times, but I don't see anything which says effective immediately all new hires must now have ATP's.

(2) MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS-
(A) PROSPECTIVE FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that prospective flight crewmembers undergo comprehensive preemployment screening, including an assessment of the skills, aptitudes, airmanship, and suitability of each applicant for a position as a flight crewmember in terms of functioning effectively in the air carrier’s operational environment.
(B) ALL FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that, after the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, all flight crewmembers--
(i) have obtained an airline transport pilot certificate under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations

DashDriverYV

Okay, reading the passed bill says that at a minimum, the FAA must implement ATP's for all 121 pilots within 3 years. The Administrator may decide to enact this sooner or more restrictive. As of now, there is no rule, just a law, business as usual at the airlines till a rule is made.

Nevets

Really? So what you are saying is that every civilian pilot trains and breifs and debriefs for hours every single flight? Are you saying that the a military aircraft commander's 250 hours is equal to the civilian pilot with the same amount of time and a wet commercial certificate?

Yeah, the reason was the families of Colgan flight 3407. Anyways, I'm saying that I would guess the FAA will allow 700 hours to be credited only because it would comply jive with the line of reasoning in their own ANPRM along with the Senate's.