1500hr / ATP for Part 121 rule passes
07-21-2010, 12:44 PM
#22
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That's because it's hard to attract any talent when you're paying 16-20K/year to start. This bill was obviously written and passed on the plank of safety, but the regionals will be forced to find ways to get guys in the door that have the required hours. Unless they're willing to increase pay, they'll have to get creative.
07-21-2010, 01:27 PM
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I still don't see what this will prevent. As I understand it, the captain was flying that plane. He was the one that failed to recover from the stall. Obviously he had more than 1500 hours and the plane still crashed.
While I agree that airlines shouldn't be hiring pilots with 250 hours, I just don't think this will prevent anything. If anything it will prevent someone who is qualified form applying and being hired. Example, what if someone has 1,200 total and 250 of that is multi? Just an example but possible for someone to have this time. Do they not have enough experience for at least the regional level? I think that's at least worthy of an interview.
I think there should be more emphasis on the pilots background, and airlines' training programs. That's what I think the government should be more concerned about. After all, if you go threw a crappy training program, then more than likely you will perform that way. Also, I believe, at the regional level anyway, that some people are being allowed to slip threw the cracks rather then being let go when they should.
There is no replacement for experience, but I think this legislation is just putting a band aid on things. Just making people happy instead of addressing other, more direct, issues that contributed to this accident.
While I agree that airlines shouldn't be hiring pilots with 250 hours, I just don't think this will prevent anything. If anything it will prevent someone who is qualified form applying and being hired. Example, what if someone has 1,200 total and 250 of that is multi? Just an example but possible for someone to have this time. Do they not have enough experience for at least the regional level? I think that's at least worthy of an interview.
I think there should be more emphasis on the pilots background, and airlines' training programs. That's what I think the government should be more concerned about. After all, if you go threw a crappy training program, then more than likely you will perform that way. Also, I believe, at the regional level anyway, that some people are being allowed to slip threw the cracks rather then being let go when they should.
There is no replacement for experience, but I think this legislation is just putting a band aid on things. Just making people happy instead of addressing other, more direct, issues that contributed to this accident.
How much time did he get hired with? Probably not 1500.
07-21-2010, 01:39 PM
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I don't think this will change the industry much at all. In the early 90's you needed 1500 hours or more to even get an interview. This did not result in a pilot shortage at all. This will not increase wages because there will still be a large number of people who will still take the crappy wages that the 250hr wonder was taking a few years ago. It will also have no impact on safety because even with the 250 hour wonder, planes have not exactly been falling out of the sky. I think this is more of an "illusion of safety" than a really sound solution.
If and when this bill gets voted on and rules, no longer will another pilot be hired with no experience what so ever. Meaning many (not all) pilots will get a chance to figure out whether or not flying is something for them BEFORE they start flying passengers (under most circumstances).
An easy indication that it will make a significant difference is the fact that the airlines are putting up a HUGE stink about this. If there wasn't going to be a difference, management would just stay at the golf course and not waste their time and money lobbying.
Just my .18 cents
07-21-2010, 01:46 PM
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I still don't see what this will prevent. As I understand it, the captain was flying that plane. He was the one that failed to recover from the stall. Obviously he had more than 1500 hours and the plane still crashed.
While I agree that airlines shouldn't be hiring pilots with 250 hours, I just don't think this will prevent anything. If anything it will prevent someone who is qualified form applying and being hired. Example, what if someone has 1,200 total and 250 of that is multi? Just an example but possible for someone to have this time. Do they not have enough experience for at least the regional level? I think that's at least worthy of an interview.
I think there should be more emphasis on the pilots background, and airlines' training programs. That's what I think the government should be more concerned about. After all, if you go threw a crappy training program, then more than likely you will perform that way. Also, I believe, at the regional level anyway, that some people are being allowed to slip threw the cracks rather then being let go when they should.
There is no replacement for experience, but I think this legislation is just putting a band aid on things. Just making people happy instead of addressing other, more direct, issues that contributed to this accident.
While I agree that airlines shouldn't be hiring pilots with 250 hours, I just don't think this will prevent anything. If anything it will prevent someone who is qualified form applying and being hired. Example, what if someone has 1,200 total and 250 of that is multi? Just an example but possible for someone to have this time. Do they not have enough experience for at least the regional level? I think that's at least worthy of an interview.
I think there should be more emphasis on the pilots background, and airlines' training programs. That's what I think the government should be more concerned about. After all, if you go threw a crappy training program, then more than likely you will perform that way. Also, I believe, at the regional level anyway, that some people are being allowed to slip threw the cracks rather then being let go when they should.
There is no replacement for experience, but I think this legislation is just putting a band aid on things. Just making people happy instead of addressing other, more direct, issues that contributed to this accident.
07-21-2010, 02:24 PM
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But if someones got 1500 TT chances are they meet all other ATP req's, so if the ATP is required and you don't have one it's a good chance they'll be being handed out in the checkrides during training.
07-21-2010, 02:39 PM
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On a serious note, at the very least people with actual experience and foundations will be the ones qualified for the front seats of airliners, instead of the CMLs they've been making lately.
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