wanttofly

While I admit that I haven't read the entire bill, I'm not sure where you're getting that piece of information. Could you cite where new hires are mentioned?

bozobigtop

I can remember when you needed an ATP, 2500 hours total, 500 multi just to fly right seat on a chieftain.

EVpilot

I've had a couple I'd like to have brow beat!

dashrash

While in recurrent training last week the checkairman mentioned something about a side letter to this bill allowing puppy mills to pump out pilots at around 800 or so hours. Anyone know the fate of this provision? It would just destroy the intent of this bill and continue placing new pilots in a world of debt while filling the right seat of regionals with cheap pilots.

BSOuthisplace

This will change very little in regards to future pay and work rules IMHO. Case in point, GoJets is chock full o' furloughed United.

bozobigtop

Airlines are like any other crafty business as they find a way to circumvent any parts of this bill in-order to make money. If the airlines have to raise their starting pay to attract applicants in which is debatable they most certainly will cut something else such as service or the number of aircraft they now operate. My two business degrees tell me raising salaries across the board even in one category is just like another tax dragging down the business.

afterburn81

I think this might be rhetorical but have you earned your ATP? What are you currently doing with your pilot career?

In response your comment about the military and how it certifies it's pilots I would like to say that the military is a whole different world than the civilian world. First off you get very specific training. Secondly the person chosen to become a pilot didn't just pass a checkride that they paid for or go to some school that taught you to push buttons and say things at certain time never explaining what those buttons were for. Long story short, the military is VERY selective with their pilots and they will always be.

Secondly, military "Captains" do not serve the general public. This is about passengers that pay for tickets expecting to get to their destination alive. It's not too much to ask. When a K.C. 135 goes down due to pilot error, although tragic and terribly sad, most likely the aircraft wasn't carrying paying passengers. I think that is the point here. You are missing the point.

Whacker77

I agree with what you've written. My reading of the bill is there is a three year grace period to implement the 1500 requirement for all pilots. I do not believe any new hire now must have 1500 hours.

iPilot

If the military sets up a special arrangement where their 400 hour guys can qualify for ATPs that's fine by me. As mentioned above 400 hours of military flying and training is not the same as getting it at a part 61 "Joe's Flight Academy" or even a part 141 zero-to-hero outfit like AllATP or Gulfstream.

I will say the University credit thing might not be so bad. I believe UND and Riddle do offer academic training that is worth something over non-accredited schools. However, how much they lower the mins (if at all) is debatable. I don't think you can graduate from any University program with 250 hours (or 190 hours in some cases these days) and expect to hop in an RJ. Maybe allow it to go to 1000 hours for an ATP, but that's about it. Everyone needs some real world flying first, regardless of where you came from.

afterburn81

Or they could raise ticket prices. This is something that will affect the industry as a whole. In the past the legacies had to compete with the low-cost air carriers with pricing but this will also affect those guys. After 9/11 taxes and fees became effective and passengers just got used to it. I see a gradual increase in price to absorb the extra cost.