1500hr / ATP for Part 121 rule passes
07-30-2010, 02:57 PM
#201
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I've got news for you... We (corporate guys) don't have max duty days.
I know some corporate flight departments have SOPs with specified duty periods, and I think that's great. But a lot of us don't. Although it does not happen very often, I've had some duty days that would make you wince.
I know some corporate flight departments have SOPs with specified duty periods, and I think that's great. But a lot of us don't. Although it does not happen very often, I've had some duty days that would make you wince.
While I doubt it, it would be great if these new duty rules applied to all for hire flying, not just the airlines.
07-30-2010, 02:59 PM
#202
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If you have an Airline Transport Rating and a job you just became slightly less replaceable. So what do counselors at the flight schools tell kids that want to be pro pilots now? 1500 hours X $125/hour rental rates = $187,500 investment for an $18,000/yr job.
Foreign airlines will be the place the next generation will get their 1500 hours.
Foreign airlines will be the place the next generation will get their 1500 hours.
07-30-2010, 03:07 PM
#203
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Very glad to see the mainlines must now disclose what airline the ticket they sell will actually provide the service. After any highly publicized accident, regionals may well see a correlated revenue fall off (right or wrong).
I suspect however that "Travelocity" and "Orbitz" will still provide query returns in order of cheapest first. Ever budget minded travel buyers will still continue to click on the lowest price, further empowering that marketing guy, to tell the pilot management guy, that pilots need to work for less because they just can't raise fares...
I suspect however that "Travelocity" and "Orbitz" will still provide query returns in order of cheapest first. Ever budget minded travel buyers will still continue to click on the lowest price, further empowering that marketing guy, to tell the pilot management guy, that pilots need to work for less because they just can't raise fares...
07-30-2010, 03:18 PM
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Does anyone think that this rule will have an adverse effect on the quality of instruction given by CFIs? There are already a bunch of ill-qualified CFIs floating around out there simply to build time. Now, there are a lot of great ones for sure. It just seems like a lot more people will be instructing simply for the mins - more so than right now.
Regardless, you're point is deflated in the fact that one could simply argue that no amount of hours as a student in the right seat fully prepares you for the experience gained as PIC teaching in the right seat.
07-30-2010, 03:40 PM
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Hopefully these guys aren't too quick to become expats overseas just to flood the market again a yr or 2 later, would love to see people some guys slow down and CFI/135 for a couple years. Make this profession as good as it could be. Less sandbagging and more pilots helping out fellow pilots. Am I right???
07-30-2010, 04:03 PM
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07-30-2010, 04:21 PM
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07-30-2010, 04:47 PM
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If it was really about safety, training quality would trump quantity. Pilots seeking employment at airlines would have to go through a military-style training program, and be weeded out accordingly. Airlines couldn't hire somebody with a certain number of busted rides. Checkride PTS for commercial would be tightened. Multi-engine hour requirements would be increased. There would be a substantial hourly requirement for stalls, spins and upset recovery. Up the hourly restriction for cub-captains' pairings with f/o's who don't meet a certain amount of time in type...(etc.)
And it says it can be academic training as well.
07-30-2010, 04:52 PM
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There is a loop hole in the language so people who go to approved flight schools can be credited flight hours for the academic training. Also the flight hours into icing conditions can be waived as well with academic training.
In another section it requires the FAA to design new certificate with the persons picture on it.
In another section it requires the FAA to design new certificate with the persons picture on it.
This is part of the NPRM, not the bill.
Last edited by Nevets; 07-30-2010 at 05:29 PM.
07-30-2010, 04:53 PM
#210
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Foreigners come here to train because it is MUCH cheaper to train here than in Europe. I have trained quite a few in my day, thank you very much.
With that being said, most of the ones I trained turned around and got jobs in their respective countries, flying small and large narrowbodies with 750TT or less. Getting a job flying a narrowbody (or larger) is much easier in Europe and Asia than it is in the US when you compare actual time logged. Not to mention the fact that most of those "entry level" jobs pay fairly well.
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