babs

Does this bill go into effect immediately after the president signs it?

indapit

You are looking at it the wrong way. The type of person that would put their life in danger to get icing experience is not the kind of person you want in the front of an airliner.

I say let the idiots who want to build icing time in the wrong kind of airplane try it......it will kill all the dumb and unlucky pilots leaving only the smart and lucky ones left.

If you are willing to put your life in danger just to build some time for the chance to get hired at a crappy regional......you have no business flying airplanes.

atpcliff

The OLD language said in effect 3 years after Obama signs, and NO grandfathering in of existing pilots (so if at 1200 hours when it goes into effect, you are out, as you do not have 1500 hours). HOWEVER, is the NEW bill language the same, or different????

MachJ

Sec. 217 (b) (2) states:

It sounds like these items could be done in a sim.

Elvis90

New language is found in HR 5900, which was passed yesterday:

Read The Bill: H.R. 5900 - GovTrack.us

(1) NUMBERS OF FLIGHT HOURS- The total flight hours required by the Administrator under subsection (b)(1) shall be at least 1,500 flight hours.

(f) Deadline- Not later than 36 months after the date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator shall issue a final rule under subsection (a).

So, yes, it's still 3 years to implement from date of enactment (President's signature).

indapit

There is a loop hole in the language so people who go to approved flight schools can be credited flight hours for the academic training. Also the flight hours into icing conditions can be waived as well with academic training.

In another section it requires the FAA to design new certificate with the persons picture on it.

NoStep

No THAT's funny !!
Who said it's really anything about safety? It's a poison-pill bill to force $13 billion in EXTRA spending appropriations for white elephants like Amtrak!! Hell, why not thow in some for the DMV...they're about as efficient as Amtrak?

If it was really about safety, training quality would trump quantity. Pilots seeking employment at airlines would have to go through a military-style training program, and be weeded out accordingly. Airlines couldn't hire somebody with a certain number of busted rides. Checkride PTS for commercial would be tightened. Multi-engine hour requirements would be increased. There would be a substantial hourly requirement for stalls, spins and upset recovery. Up the hourly restriction for cub-captains' pairings with f/o's who don't meet a certain amount of time in type...(etc.)

But instead, we get vague Catch-22 rules like multi-crew experience, flight into known icing training, and of course, more money for boondoggle programs.

But thank God congress is here to rescue us. Now there'll never be another Renslow & Shaw !

atpcliff

Hi!

If I read it correctly:
Crew Rest/Duty/Flight rules will change within ONE year max, and apply to ALL PILOTS.

ATP required for all -121 pilots, and will include a 1500 hour min, reduceable, and more training that what is required now for ATP....3 years until ATP required.

cliff
GRB

Clocks

That'll be awesome for those on furlough without 1500 :-/

tone

Guys,
I think it just says that you need the required training to prepare you to be ABLE to safely fly in icing conditions. So, if I just say to my student, " avoid icing conditions, but if you feel you will encounter it, just turn on the anti-ice equipt BEFORE entering it". Now the student can take the ATP ride. Make sense? It does say you need experience(hours) in difficult operating conditions SUCH AS icing, but does not say icing itself. Did I read this all right, or is there some paragraph in that link really saying you need the 50 hrs of purposely flying in icing?