1500hr / ATP for Part 121 rule passes
07-25-2010, 11:31 PM
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Air Force saw similar results many years ago at about the same milestones. Particularly with instructors and their comfort envelope.
Usually, you re-modified your sight picture after letting a student go a bit too far but not far enough you couldn't recover.
It all comes down to becoming complacent and too comfortable. Both can step up an bite you when you least expect it.
Frats,
Lee
Usually, you re-modified your sight picture after letting a student go a bit too far but not far enough you couldn't recover.
It all comes down to becoming complacent and too comfortable. Both can step up an bite you when you least expect it.
Frats,
Lee
I distinctly remember the "circle of fear" or "defensive control guarding" as an instructor. As I recall, the not so good students would scare me, it was always the "good" ones that tried to KILL me,
dodged that one...Good judgement comes from experience, which comes from bad judgement
07-26-2010, 10:28 AM
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Besides the obvious plus sides for the industry salary, etc wise...
Does anyone think that this rule will have an adverse effect on the quality of instruction given by CFIs? There are already a bunch of ill-qualified CFIs floating around out there simply to build time. Now, there are a lot of great ones for sure. It just seems like a lot more people will be instructing simply for the mins - more so than right now.
I've never really liked the idea of guys with 300hrs turning into CFIs - how much quality instruction could that possibly be?
Does anyone think that this rule will have an adverse effect on the quality of instruction given by CFIs? There are already a bunch of ill-qualified CFIs floating around out there simply to build time. Now, there are a lot of great ones for sure. It just seems like a lot more people will be instructing simply for the mins - more so than right now.
I've never really liked the idea of guys with 300hrs turning into CFIs - how much quality instruction could that possibly be?
07-26-2010, 10:52 AM
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07-27-2010, 02:38 PM
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Question for everybody, I read in both the original House and Senate versions of this bill that the earliest the requirements would be enforced would be December of 2011, does anyone else think that there will be a rash of low-time hiring before the bill goes into effect?
07-27-2010, 02:55 PM
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Question for everybody, I read in both the original House and Senate versions of this bill that the earliest the requirements would be enforced would be December of 2011, does anyone else think that there will be a rash of low-time hiring before the bill goes into effect?
Even a highly qualified new hire will start at the bottom of the pay scale, so on balance, why not hire the more qualified pilot?
I'm sure that won't set well with some folks, but that's how most HR and Flight Ops folks will think.
07-27-2010, 03:30 PM
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No, if the wording on the house bill I saw holds up: The law would go into effect 3 years after the bill was signed, and it was effective on that date. So, if they hired a low-time guy, say, 1 year before the start date...and as of the date they had 1200 hours, they would have to be laid off....no 1500 hours, no right seat....that was the wording. The 3 year period is time for everyone to adjust. When it is over, no one flying under 1500 hours.
cliff
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No, if the wording on the house bill I saw holds up: The law would go into effect 3 years after the bill was signed, and it was effective on that date. So, if they hired a low-time guy, say, 1 year before the start date...and as of the date they had 1200 hours, they would have to be laid off....no 1500 hours, no right seat....that was the wording. The 3 year period is time for everyone to adjust. When it is over, no one flying under 1500 hours.
cliff
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07-27-2010, 05:13 PM
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In other words the date of signing they can't hire anyone under 1500 hours. However, if the day before they hired someone with 300 hours, they would have 3 years to get them up to 1500. If they don't, the guy is no longer legal to fly 121.
07-28-2010, 04:10 PM
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This is looking good....
Air safety legislation expected to pass in coming days - The Buffalo News
Thank god!
Air safety legislation expected to pass in coming days - The Buffalo News
Thank god!
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