Delta Sells Compass and Mesaba
07-15-2010, 05:43 PM
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Alaska uses them almost exclusively with Horizon. Alaska has also consistently turned a profit. I don't think most people can tell at the time of booking if they will be in a turbo prop or not. Furthermore, I'd venture a guess that the number one factor people look at while booking is price, even if it means an extra connection.
07-15-2010, 06:15 PM
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I don't think they will kill the flow, or the flow down that is. My guess is they are attempting to kill the flow up, and hoping we will agree. They're probably thinking we will be happy so long as we have the flow down, and that they'll just keep the 76 seaters.
Thing is that doesn't fly with me. I'd just as soon work at Home Depot then flow down to a company owned by HK. If they want to kill any part of the flow, then 76 seaters will be parked.
Thing is that doesn't fly with me. I'd just as soon work at Home Depot then flow down to a company owned by HK. If they want to kill any part of the flow, then 76 seaters will be parked.
That is an excellent point. Delta does not like the flow. They don't want to take seats out of aircraft or limit the Compass 175's. This is where DALPA enforcing the contract could help the Compass pilots. DALPA is directly representing the Delta pilots, but the Compass pilots could benefit.
07-15-2010, 06:16 PM
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I don't think they will kill the flow, or the flow down that is. My guess is they are attempting to kill the flow up, and hoping we will agree. They're probably thinking we will be happy so long as we have the flow down, and that they'll just keep the 76 seaters.
Thing is that doesn't fly with me. I'd just as soon work at Home Depot then flow down to a company owned by HK. If they want to kill any part of the flow, then 76 seaters will be parked.
Thing is that doesn't fly with me. I'd just as soon work at Home Depot then flow down to a company owned by HK. If they want to kill any part of the flow, then 76 seaters will be parked.
07-15-2010, 06:20 PM
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The aircraft will not be parked. If the flow down is killed for whatever reason and invokes that clause in the contract they will just remove 6 seats. The 70 seat cap doesnt change so they will just add 4 more first class seats and take away 10 coach. They wont park the planes.
07-15-2010, 06:33 PM
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Clearly delta wont fly a/c around that dont make money
(all 50 seaters.)If theres some way for you guys to pull these a/c up to mainline im all for it, but lets be real they will just add the 4 first class seats and pull 10 coach. Im not so sure that wouldnt be almost revenue neutral.
Dont forget they just signed long term contracts for these airplanes. Im sure they can get out of them but whats the expense on that?
Im just playing devils advocate to get ideas out there.
By the way I think hockey and johnso are right. DALPA enforcing thier contract may cause them to keep the flow around!!
07-15-2010, 06:37 PM
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The flow down also creates a financial burden for the company due to the training cycles that it would cause and therefore it provides an incentive for them to try and avoid furloughs. For every flow-down at Compass you would have essentially created 4 training cycles. (1 = flow back training at compass, 2 = flow back training at DL after recall, 3 = CPZ upgrade to replace flow back pilot, 4 = new hire or recalled CPZ pilot).
07-15-2010, 06:46 PM
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The contract allows the flow to be canceled. I want the contract followed. The truth is terminating the flow is probably more beneficial to me as a junior Delta pilot. The furlough protection is gone now that Delta will not be paying Compass training costs. I have no intention of ever flowing down to Tran States even if I'm furloughed. I think terminating the flow and having the consequences written out in the contract enforced is the most beneficial thing to me. I'm not calling my reps to tell them my opinion because it would negatively affect another group. DALPA separated from Compass so we could not be sued for failure of duty to represent in situations like these. DALPA represents Delta pilots, not Compass. As long as the contract is followed and no scope is given up, I'm satisfied with the outcome.
07-15-2010, 06:48 PM
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I never flowed up. I did it the old fashioned way and applied for the company I wanted to work for. Then, I interviewed for the company I wanted to work for. I don't know how what you mean by claiming I'm trying to screw everybody else.
If the flow is terminated the way the contract is worded (taking 6 seats out of a lot of 76 seaters and reducing the weight on the Compass jets), then it is probably more beneficial to me than the flow. That is if the contact is followed to the letter. The flow-down is useless to me now. I have no idea what's going to happened. There are very few Delta pilots willing to talk about this issue on here. I could be like everyone else and not comment. I have not given my opinion to anyone outside this board. Verbally attacking me probably won't hurt your cause, but I know it won't help it.
If the flow is terminated the way the contract is worded (taking 6 seats out of a lot of 76 seaters and reducing the weight on the Compass jets), then it is probably more beneficial to me than the flow. That is if the contact is followed to the letter. The flow-down is useless to me now. I have no idea what's going to happened. There are very few Delta pilots willing to talk about this issue on here. I could be like everyone else and not comment. I have not given my opinion to anyone outside this board. Verbally attacking me probably won't hurt your cause, but I know it won't help it.
07-15-2010, 07:39 PM
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