Delta Sells Compass and Mesaba
07-15-2010, 01:08 PM
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PUH-LEEZ!!! Many of the regionals existing today grew massively, all at the expense of mainline.
07-15-2010, 01:10 PM
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I appreciate the Delta guys trying to hold the line against any further scope erosion. My only issue is with those saying screw the flow guys at compass and mesaba. Why would someone wish us harm? By all accounts fight for your contract but why some want to throw us to the wolves is beyond me.
The MEC's and LEC's are working through some pretty complex languages, intent and consquences as we speak. I believe things will be honered, modified and ended all in due time.
The MEC's and LEC's are working through some pretty complex languages, intent and consquences as we speak. I believe things will be honered, modified and ended all in due time.
07-15-2010, 01:45 PM
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Exactly, I called my reps and said the flow should be honored, there was a committment, if not follow the contract.
07-15-2010, 01:58 PM
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The contract allows the flow to be canceled. I want the contract followed. The truth is terminating the flow is probably more beneficial to me as a junior Delta pilot. The furlough protection is gone now that Delta will not be paying Compass training costs. I have no intention of ever flowing down to Tran States even if I'm furloughed. I think terminating the flow and having the consequences written out in the contract enforced is the most beneficial thing to me. I'm not calling my reps to tell them my opinion because it would negatively affect another group. DALPA separated from Compass so we could not be sued for failure of duty to represent in situations like these. DALPA represents Delta pilots, not Compass. As long as the contract is followed and no scope is given up, I'm satisfied with the outcome.
07-15-2010, 02:11 PM
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The contract allows the flow to be canceled. I want the contract followed. The truth is terminating the flow is probably more beneficial to me as a junior Delta pilot. The furlough protection is gone now that Delta will not be paying Compass training costs. I have no intention of ever flowing down to Tran States even if I'm furloughed. I think terminating the flow and having the consequences written out in the contract enforced is the most beneficial thing to me. I'm not calling my reps to tell them my opinion because it would negatively affect another group. DALPA separated from Compass so we could not be sued for failure of duty to represent in situations like these. DALPA represents Delta pilots, not Compass. As long as the contract is followed and no scope is given up, I'm satisfied with the outcome.
07-15-2010, 02:14 PM
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07-15-2010, 02:34 PM
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If the flow is terminated the way the contract is worded (taking 6 seats out of a lot of 76 seaters and reducing the weight on the Compass jets), then it is probably more beneficial to me than the flow. That is if the contact is followed to the letter. The flow-down is useless to me now. I have no idea what's going to happened. There are very few Delta pilots willing to talk about this issue on here. I could be like everyone else and not comment. I have not given my opinion to anyone outside this board. Verbally attacking me probably won't hurt your cause, but I know it won't help it.
07-15-2010, 02:48 PM
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Not a personal attack at all, just pointing out the way you are coming across. This is an assumption on my side, but i get the feeling that you dont believe than anyone that didnt go through the process you did doesn't deserve to be at Delta. If this is how you feel, how do you feel about your former NWA brother? Do they deserve to be where you are or would you and those like you wish they would have proven themselves to Delta?
07-15-2010, 02:56 PM
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Not a personal attack at all, just pointing out the way you are coming across. This is an assumption on my side, but i get the feeling that you dont believe than anyone that didnt go through the process you did doesn't deserve to be at Delta. If this is how you feel, how do you feel about your former NWA brother? Do they deserve to be where you are or would you and those like you wish they would have proven themselves to Delta?
You're not making any valid points and assuming way too much. hockey is fNWA.
Frankly, I agree with him.
Now as far as my feelings on scope takeback.... I'd prefer us right now to just pull out an industrial sized stapler and tack on every DCI pilot to our list and have everything from the smallest turboprop on up be owned and operated by mainline. Sure we may get some "undesireables," but I would much rather have everyone on the list than continue to have this whipsaw bull crap and all this outsourcing. It's horrible for the Delta product and it's bad for our careers. It was a failed experiment and needs to be done away with.
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