Delta Sells Compass and Mesaba
07-08-2010, 02:12 PM
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I think the sailing's post was a hypothetical one to show an example of how drawing a line in the sand could backfire. Reference the post below.
Setting a line in the sand is stupid. You say lets not budge a inch on scope.
What would you say if the company said this. We want to cancel the flows. We want to keep 76 seats in each jet at the current limits. We have a order ready to go for the E195. We will sign a contract that has the first aircraft on the property in Jan of 11. Deliveries will be a minimum yearly average of 2 per month. After 36 months the number of 76 seaters permitted above 85 will match the number of E195's on the property above the current fleet numbers. If we add 75 E195 but park 40 DC-9's then the company only gets 35 76 seaters above 85.
Would you vote no??
P.S. I made up the E195. This is not a rumor so don't read anything into it other then why you don't set firm lines. Everything has to be looked at in context.
What would you say if the company said this. We want to cancel the flows. We want to keep 76 seats in each jet at the current limits. We have a order ready to go for the E195. We will sign a contract that has the first aircraft on the property in Jan of 11. Deliveries will be a minimum yearly average of 2 per month. After 36 months the number of 76 seaters permitted above 85 will match the number of E195's on the property above the current fleet numbers. If we add 75 E195 but park 40 DC-9's then the company only gets 35 76 seaters above 85.
Would you vote no??
P.S. I made up the E195. This is not a rumor so don't read anything into it other then why you don't set firm lines. Everything has to be looked at in context.
No vote. Reasoning:
* What if during a downturn Delta can not finance $45,000,000 for each 11 jobs?
* The CASM makes the E175 / E195 superior platform to the MD88 and in some cases is a replacement for the Airbus and 737NG. What if Delta decided to replace the MD88 fleet?
* If things get really ugly, what is easier to modify, (or toss out: (Arbitrary Limit) or (Seniority List) pick one.
As a union, our strongest job advancement position is unity. We have watched one convoluted line in the sand after another fail. Why would we wish to repeat what has not worked?
We should apply objective stress tests to our proposals.
- Would this provision allow one division of Delta to furlough pilots while another division is hiring?
- Would this provision create jobs which are not represented by D-ALPA and pilots who could challenge our exclusivity on Delta flying?
- Does this proposal honor Delta pilot seniority?
- Will this proposal increase the number of Delta pilot jobs?
- Will this proposal in any way harm ANYONE on the Delta seniority list?
Scope is easy when we are growing. Scope has to be built for worst case scenarios.
* What if during a downturn Delta can not finance $45,000,000 for each 11 jobs?
* The CASM makes the E175 / E195 superior platform to the MD88 and in some cases is a replacement for the Airbus and 737NG. What if Delta decided to replace the MD88 fleet?
* If things get really ugly, what is easier to modify, (or toss out: (Arbitrary Limit) or (Seniority List) pick one.
As a union, our strongest job advancement position is unity. We have watched one convoluted line in the sand after another fail. Why would we wish to repeat what has not worked?
We should apply objective stress tests to our proposals.
- Would this provision allow one division of Delta to furlough pilots while another division is hiring?
- Would this provision create jobs which are not represented by D-ALPA and pilots who could challenge our exclusivity on Delta flying?
- Does this proposal honor Delta pilot seniority?
- Will this proposal increase the number of Delta pilot jobs?
- Will this proposal in any way harm ANYONE on the Delta seniority list?
Scope is easy when we are growing. Scope has to be built for worst case scenarios.
As best as I can see, sailing is for scope restoration. He's just helping us to understand why we have to negotiate. JMO.
07-08-2010, 03:26 PM
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A lot is going on and most will have a better idea of what is going on next week.
07-08-2010, 04:47 PM
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Everything being what it is, NOTHING beats verbal communication.
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07-08-2010, 05:51 PM
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Please go into detail on what I should think about in what I typed? You don't think we should try and take back the 170/175 flying? You don't think we should make sure we don't tie scope and pay together? You don't think the MEC should try and improve the life of Delta pilots? Please tell me the part I should think about?
It will drive the seat-mile up on these birds making them less desirable.
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07-08-2010, 05:57 PM
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Compass MEC is making you chose between their conference call and king james's ESPN show?
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