Delta Sells Compass and Mesaba
07-02-2010, 02:03 PM
#161
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07-02-2010, 02:24 PM
#163
New Hire
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Hmmm
One of the reasons I voted no to the BK cram-down contract, was I said no NEWCO (Compass) and I ment it (also the duration of the contract).
I see, and understand, everything Splash says (do you live in FSD?). However, maybe I'm not thinking long range enough because I see this as a cake and eat it too opportunity. We let the flows go away and get a scope bump AND we hire all the Compass and Mesaba guys we can....probably higher than the flow numbers anyway. I understand we give up the flow down, but if the DCIs continue to shrink, it could be moot as we need more and more mainline guys.
I'm sure I'm not seeing the knight moving into position to take my queen (my biggest chess weakness) so please fire away.
Ferd
I see, and understand, everything Splash says (do you live in FSD?). However, maybe I'm not thinking long range enough because I see this as a cake and eat it too opportunity. We let the flows go away and get a scope bump AND we hire all the Compass and Mesaba guys we can....probably higher than the flow numbers anyway. I understand we give up the flow down, but if the DCIs continue to shrink, it could be moot as we need more and more mainline guys.
I'm sure I'm not seeing the knight moving into position to take my queen (my biggest chess weakness) so please fire away.
Ferd
Q: How can we get rid of pilot furlough protection and make them think it's in their own best interest?
A: See above quote.
Brilliant! Isn't it?
Last edited by CapEnP; 07-02-2010 at 08:54 PM.
07-02-2010, 02:59 PM
#164
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: LAX ERA
Posts: 3,457
1) Furlough protection, in general, isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
2) Current furlough protection is in our contract and doesn't appear to be effected by this. Now, I do understand the flow is what protected us against the post merger furlough. But, now that post merger manning has reached a point where we need to hire, I guess I'm missing your point.
Trust me, I'm for what best protects our junior guys and I trust guys like Bucking Bar and ACL to educate me on regional issues. So please, ask me questions vs imply I'm some sort of management stooge.
All the best,
Ferd
07-02-2010, 03:26 PM
#165
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 737 ATL
Posts: 3,506
Ferd-
You are no management stooge. You are a visionary.
This is truly a "cake and eat it too" opportunity, just like you said.
I'm somewhat stunned that any Delta pilot would come on this board and argue against using our contractual right to reduce the 76 seat RJs. All this talk about the need for strong scope over the last few years and now people are gun shy about enforcing the scope we have? Its mind-boggling.
What the heck did they think scope was all about? Enforcing our contract is going to cause short term heartache for some Compass and Mesaba pilots. That's a given and perhaps regrettable. But it is in the long term best interests of this profession to recapture as much flying as possible back to the mainline pay scales.
I'm sure Splash and anyone else opposed to enforcing Section 1.B.40 are a tiny minority but I'm shocked there is even 1.
You are no management stooge. You are a visionary.
This is truly a "cake and eat it too" opportunity, just like you said.
I'm somewhat stunned that any Delta pilot would come on this board and argue against using our contractual right to reduce the 76 seat RJs. All this talk about the need for strong scope over the last few years and now people are gun shy about enforcing the scope we have? Its mind-boggling.
What the heck did they think scope was all about? Enforcing our contract is going to cause short term heartache for some Compass and Mesaba pilots. That's a given and perhaps regrettable. But it is in the long term best interests of this profession to recapture as much flying as possible back to the mainline pay scales.
I'm sure Splash and anyone else opposed to enforcing Section 1.B.40 are a tiny minority but I'm shocked there is even 1.
07-02-2010, 03:39 PM
#166
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Two points:
1) Furlough protection, in general, isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
2) Current furlough protection is in our contract and doesn't appear to be effected by this. Now, I do understand the flow is what protected us against the post merger furlough. But, now that post merger manning has reached a point where we need to hire, I guess I'm missing your point.
Trust me, I'm for what best protects our junior guys and I trust guys like Bucking Bar and ACL to educate me on regional issues. So please, ask me questions vs imply I'm some sort of management stooge.
All the best,
Ferd
1) Furlough protection, in general, isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
2) Current furlough protection is in our contract and doesn't appear to be effected by this. Now, I do understand the flow is what protected us against the post merger furlough. But, now that post merger manning has reached a point where we need to hire, I guess I'm missing your point.
Trust me, I'm for what best protects our junior guys and I trust guys like Bucking Bar and ACL to educate me on regional issues. So please, ask me questions vs imply I'm some sort of management stooge.
All the best,
Ferd
07-02-2010, 03:42 PM
#167
Underboob King
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Guppy Commander
Posts: 4,412
Ferd-
You are no management stooge. You are a visionary.
This is truly a "cake and eat it too" opportunity, just like you said.
I'm somewhat stunned that any Delta pilot would come on this board and argue against using our contractual right to reduce the 76 seat RJs. All this talk about the need for strong scope over the last few years and now people are gun shy about enforcing the scope we have? Its mind-boggling.
What the heck did they think scope was all about? Enforcing our contract is going to cause short term heartache for some Compass and Mesaba pilots. That's a given and perhaps regrettable. But it is in the long term best interests of this profession to recapture as much flying as possible back to the mainline pay scales.
I'm sure Splash and anyone else opposed to enforcing Section 1.B.40 are a tiny minority but I'm shocked there is even 1.
You are no management stooge. You are a visionary.
This is truly a "cake and eat it too" opportunity, just like you said.
I'm somewhat stunned that any Delta pilot would come on this board and argue against using our contractual right to reduce the 76 seat RJs. All this talk about the need for strong scope over the last few years and now people are gun shy about enforcing the scope we have? Its mind-boggling.
What the heck did they think scope was all about? Enforcing our contract is going to cause short term heartache for some Compass and Mesaba pilots. That's a given and perhaps regrettable. But it is in the long term best interests of this profession to recapture as much flying as possible back to the mainline pay scales.
I'm sure Splash and anyone else opposed to enforcing Section 1.B.40 are a tiny minority but I'm shocked there is even 1.
07-02-2010, 03:59 PM
#169
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
As the flow will likely be canceled, I cannot see Delta hiring large numbers of CPZ and Mesaba pilots with the existing pool of applicants out there. If anything, I would expect Delta to move away from hiring pilots in large numbers from these 2 carriers as this would likely disrupt their ability to feed for Delta...the very reason Delta is likely selling these 2 carriers. This was one of the inherent problems in the flow-up in Delta's eyes.
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