Delta Sells Compass and Mesaba
07-02-2010, 11:49 AM
#141
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I don't think any pilots hate the flow. What we hate is the outsourcing and whipsawing.
In the long run, doing away with Delta flying being performed by lower and lower paid pilots on larger and larger airplanes is good for the Compass and Mesaba pilots as well.
The mainline boys want to recapture those jobs (and hire the Compass and Mesaba guys to fill them).
In the long run, doing away with Delta flying being performed by lower and lower paid pilots on larger and larger airplanes is good for the Compass and Mesaba pilots as well.
The mainline boys want to recapture those jobs (and hire the Compass and Mesaba guys to fill them).
07-02-2010, 11:53 AM
#142
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One of the reasons I voted no to the BK cram-down contract, was I said no NEWCO (Compass) and I ment it (also the duration of the contract).
I see, and understand, everything Splash says (do you live in FSD?). Maybe I'm not thinking long range enough because I see this as a cake and eat it too opportunity. We let the flows go away and get a scope bump AND we hire all the Compass and Mesaba guys we can....probably higher than the flow numbers anyway. I understand we give up the flow down, but if the DCIs continue to shrink, it could be moot as we need more and more mainline guys.
I'm sure I'm not seeing the knight moving in position to take my queen (my biggest chess weakness) so please fire away.
Ferd
I see, and understand, everything Splash says (do you live in FSD?). Maybe I'm not thinking long range enough because I see this as a cake and eat it too opportunity. We let the flows go away and get a scope bump AND we hire all the Compass and Mesaba guys we can....probably higher than the flow numbers anyway. I understand we give up the flow down, but if the DCIs continue to shrink, it could be moot as we need more and more mainline guys.
I'm sure I'm not seeing the knight moving in position to take my queen (my biggest chess weakness) so please fire away.
Ferd
It seems that future attrition at Delta due to retirements will be your strongest form of job protection going forward.
07-02-2010, 11:54 AM
#143
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They will only be over the cap if the "flow down" is canceled.
If they keep the "one way flow" Delta's obligations to DAPLA are met.
All of this was written to benefit and protect "mainline pilots", not potential off the street Compass pilots.
Lots of holes that no one was paying attention to because at the time no one represented the interests of those who eventually ended up making up most of the list.
If they keep the "one way flow" Delta's obligations to DAPLA are met.
All of this was written to benefit and protect "mainline pilots", not potential off the street Compass pilots.
Lots of holes that no one was paying attention to because at the time no one represented the interests of those who eventually ended up making up most of the list.
07-02-2010, 11:59 AM
#144
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As the flow will likely be canceled, I cannot see Delta hiring large numbers of CPZ and Mesaba pilots with the existing pool of applicants out there. If anything, I would expect Delta to move away from hiring pilots in large numbers from these 2 carriers as this would likely disrupt their ability to feed for Delta...the very reason Delta is likely selling these 2 carriers. This was one of the inherent problems in the flow-up in Delta's eyes.
It seems that future attrition at Delta due to retirements will be your strongest form of job protection going forward.
It seems that future attrition at Delta due to retirements will be your strongest form of job protection going forward.
Plus, if you're really into conspiracy theories and Delta wants to win more Mesa type nonperformance suites, hiring more CPZ and Mesaba guys helps. Ok, ok, I'll take the foil out of my hat
07-02-2010, 12:11 PM
#145
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They will only be over the cap if the "flow down" is canceled.
If they keep the "one way flow" Delta's obligations to DAPLA are met.
All of this was written to benefit and protect "mainline pilots", not potential off the street Compass pilots.
Lots of holes that no one was paying attention to because at the time no one represented the interests of those who eventually ended up making up most of the list.
If they keep the "one way flow" Delta's obligations to DAPLA are met.
All of this was written to benefit and protect "mainline pilots", not potential off the street Compass pilots.
Lots of holes that no one was paying attention to because at the time no one represented the interests of those who eventually ended up making up most of the list.
07-02-2010, 12:26 PM
#146
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I'm not an expert on this subject whatsover but I doubt the sale of Mesaba and CPZ had anything to do with flow thru. It may have been icing on the cake, but really was a none issue.
I think as pilots we all think too much about our personal feelings, and less about the business side. This was just another way for DL to make some quick cash and keep cost down on the regional side. The whipsaw is alive and well!
I think as pilots we all think too much about our personal feelings, and less about the business side. This was just another way for DL to make some quick cash and keep cost down on the regional side. The whipsaw is alive and well!
07-02-2010, 12:36 PM
#148
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Ha. Good one.
If that were true, you'd allow the flow for those on property. Perhaps NWA should have been a little more careful when hiring, otherwise Delta would have taken their word for it that the Compass pilots were "worthy" of a mainline job.
You guys pulled this move out of the over-65 playbook. Pull the ladder up after you reach the top. We existed for your benefit (furlough protection), and now that you don't need us anymore, throw us out with last weeks trash.
Someone mentioned something about a moral compass earlier...
If that were true, you'd allow the flow for those on property. Perhaps NWA should have been a little more careful when hiring, otherwise Delta would have taken their word for it that the Compass pilots were "worthy" of a mainline job.
You guys pulled this move out of the over-65 playbook. Pull the ladder up after you reach the top. We existed for your benefit (furlough protection), and now that you don't need us anymore, throw us out with last weeks trash.
Someone mentioned something about a moral compass earlier...
07-02-2010, 12:36 PM
#149
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My hope is that those that were hired at Compass under the impression that they will one day flow are able to do so. While most of us know better to ever count on anything, the level that compass pilots have been "lead on" to believe this would actually materialize is pretty extreme.
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