Delta Sells Compass and Mesaba
07-02-2010, 09:59 AM
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I just spent 20 minutes talking to a Compass guy in the ALPA office. He had a lot of information. He said nobody saw it coming. The Mesaba ALPA guys are all gathered in the office. Lee Moak sent an MEC officer up to the Compass/Mesaba office to help them. There was a big conference call yesterday, and John Prater wasn't helpful. Moak is getting all 3 MECs together next week because of a deadline set by DL to address the flow. DL says the flow down must end. Compass was not prepared to handle the loss of pilots flowing this year. DL told Compass they would be hiring a lot of Compass pilots outside the flow.
Don't know why DAL wants a big pow-wow about ending the flow. They can end it anytime they want. All they have to do is remove 68 71-76 seat jets from the fleet.
07-02-2010, 10:02 AM
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Well, I think the flow is over with the sale of CPZ and Mesaba. That is how Delta reads it (contractual language) and when they want something to go a certain way, they almost always get it. The timing of the announcement can only mean that flow was most certainly a motivating factor in the sale. Isn't Delta just starting to ramp up hiring? No coincidence here. I think like most management teams, they also view flow-thru ageements as bad for business. You need people competing for your business in order to drive down cost.
Heck, they can get a judge to reverse his previous decision as seen in the Mesa case. People watching the Mesa case pointed out that the outcome would possibly have consequences for other Delta regional lift providers and I think we're seeing that play out right now with the sale of CPZ and Mesaba. Delta is a huge machine right now. They have mass, a strong will, and a lot of cash. They are quickly changing how they do business and stopping them would sort of be like stopping the Blitzkrieg of '39. I get the impression that they're on a mission.
Heck, they can get a judge to reverse his previous decision as seen in the Mesa case. People watching the Mesa case pointed out that the outcome would possibly have consequences for other Delta regional lift providers and I think we're seeing that play out right now with the sale of CPZ and Mesaba. Delta is a huge machine right now. They have mass, a strong will, and a lot of cash. They are quickly changing how they do business and stopping them would sort of be like stopping the Blitzkrieg of '39. I get the impression that they're on a mission.
07-02-2010, 10:03 AM
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Call me ignorant, I don't work for Delta or Compass so I do not know any details or really have any info but I have one question.
Why would DA need to rid themselves of 68 aircraft with 76 seats due to ending a flow with Compass that does not have anywhere close to 68 planes?
Just curious call me stupid if you want.
Why would DA need to rid themselves of 68 aircraft with 76 seats due to ending a flow with Compass that does not have anywhere close to 68 planes?
Just curious call me stupid if you want.
07-02-2010, 10:07 AM
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Call me ignorant, I don't work for Delta or Compass so I do not know any details or really have any info but I have one question.
Why would DA need to rid themselves of 68 aircraft with 76 seats due to ending a flow with Compass that does not have anywhere close to 68 planes?
Just curious call me stupid if you want.
Why would DA need to rid themselves of 68 aircraft with 76 seats due to ending a flow with Compass that does not have anywhere close to 68 planes?
Just curious call me stupid if you want.
The LOA which established the Compass Flow has a clause which states 'if the flow becomes unavailable the number of 71-76 seat jets will be reduced to 85'.
153-68=85, right? I'm not a math dude.
07-02-2010, 10:09 AM
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My point is that there are many things in our contract that meet the "don't have to do anything" definition...yet we "do" something. I think this is one more.
07-02-2010, 10:12 AM
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He MUST be stopped before he can trade away any more of our contract.
Call your reps.
07-02-2010, 10:15 AM
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I was referring to the fact that we seem to negotiate many items that we already have in our contract. We are constantly amending our contract.
My point is that there are many things in our contract that meet the "don't have to do anything" definition...yet we "do" something. I think this is one more.
My point is that there are many things in our contract that meet the "don't have to do anything" definition...yet we "do" something. I think this is one more.
I understood your point and you are dead-on target.
This is not DALPA's problem. Our contract is clear.
Flow stops = Reduce the RJs to 85.
07-02-2010, 10:24 AM
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How do you figure this is management's problem? The flow thru was OUR creation, and it is in OUR interests to preserve it. If you think Moak should turn his back on Compass and Mesaba when we are a party to the flow agreements, then say it.
I think I'll call my reps again, and remind them to ignore pilots who believe every negotiation results in concessions.
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