Delta Sells Compass and Mesaba
07-01-2010, 08:03 PM
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Have any numbers to support that?
As I read the announcements, the involved carriers will continue to operate status quo with growth which correlates with the operations they just bought with contract extensions. If anything we are now contractually restricted from pulling down this flying.
If the flying is at risk ( as stated on the web boards in CONTRAST to what managements have published ) then maybe a bankruptcy could take some out, but no one bought into this deal expecting to lose money.
But hey, I'm always on the look out for good news. I;d love to read what you're quoting from.
As I read the announcements, the involved carriers will continue to operate status quo with growth which correlates with the operations they just bought with contract extensions. If anything we are now contractually restricted from pulling down this flying.
If the flying is at risk ( as stated on the web boards in CONTRAST to what managements have published ) then maybe a bankruptcy could take some out, but no one bought into this deal expecting to lose money.
But hey, I'm always on the look out for good news. I;d love to read what you're quoting from.
Mainline capacity fell only 1.2% in that time frame. That seems like regional flying shrinking to me.
07-01-2010, 08:05 PM
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By "the two don't like each other very well" you must mean the several hundred DeltaSouth and Comair pilots that still hold a grudge because the former Comair MEC president was a real toolbag.
07-01-2010, 08:39 PM
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DCI flying shrank 4.2% in the first 5 months of this year, and is continuing to shrink this year. A lot more 50 seaters will be parked this year. That does not include the large amount that were parked in the last year. The Saabs will also be park7ed.
Mainline capacity fell only 1.2% in that time frame. That seems like regional flying shrinking to me.
Mainline capacity fell only 1.2% in that time frame. That seems like regional flying shrinking to me.
Guess I was hoping that this deal would remove obligations from Delta for future flying and am disappointed that did not happen.
07-01-2010, 09:15 PM
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To be continued..........
07-01-2010, 10:17 PM
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07-02-2010, 03:06 AM
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What this looks like, is the way it was back n the early 80's when I started my career in aviation, Airlines like Air Wisconsin, Golden Gate, Ransome, Henson, Aspen and Rocky Mountain,(to name a few) were "True Airlines" at different airports they allied with different majors but flew under their OWN "Colors". It appears to me NOW that after the UAL Express, American Eagle, Delta Connection, Continental Express, and USAir Express have run their course the "True Independent" regional might again come about and stop all of this "perversion",, Where the Best and Brightest Pilots are going to the "Majors", where the DBA's and flyiing "False Colors" might and should come to an End. After 30 years It might be time. The airlines publish their schedules, Own and FLY their CHOSEN equipment and manage THEIR busness. One thing for sure, You'll see "Riff-Raff" Management like Mesa head to the "Trash heap" and solid managers come to the fore front. It will initially be lousy for the Pilots, but change is usually LOUSY in itself, Isn't it?? Nobody likes upheval, but a little revolution and culling of the herd every now and then is a good thing. America was built on adversity and THIS is about as adverse as it's going to GET!!. My personal take on flow ups and flow downs?? They're a Smoke screen devised to keep a Pilot "compliant" and subserviant to protect his suposed "POSITION".. Pilots as a group are the biggest bunch of revolutionaries as there ever were. Mao Tse Tung could have learned a thing or two from some Airline Pilots. They'll stage a revolution at ANY time for darn mear Nothing. And!! See "Merit" in How it was Staged !! As Painful as this seems?? This might be the "Renissance" of commercial Aviation. It looks that way to Me at least. You guys are very free to disagree and many of you very well Might,
07-02-2010, 04:25 AM
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What this looks like, is the way it was back n the early 80's when I started my career in aviation, Airlines like Air Wisconsin, Golden Gate, Ransome, Henson, Aspen and Rocky Mountain,(to name a few) were "True Airlines" at different airports they allied with different majors but flew under their OWN "Colors". It appears to me NOW that after the UAL Express, American Eagle, Delta Connection, Continental Express, and USAir Express have run their course the "True Independent" regional might again come about and stop all of this "perversion",, Where the Best and Brightest Pilots are going to the "Majors", where the DBA's and flyiing "False Colors" might and should come to an End. After 30 years It might be time. The airlines publish their schedules, Own and FLY their CHOSEN equipment and manage THEIR busness. One thing for sure, You'll see "Riff-Raff" Management like Mesa head to the "Trash heap" and solid managers come to the fore front. It will initially be lousy for the Pilots, but change is usually LOUSY in itself, Isn't it?? Nobody likes upheval, but a little revolution and culling of the herd every now and then is a good thing. America was built on adversity and THIS is about as adverse as it's going to GET!!. My personal take on flow ups and flow downs?? They're a Smoke screen devised to keep a Pilot "compliant" and subserviant to protect his suposed "POSITION".. Pilots as a group are the biggest bunch of revolutionaries as there ever were. Mao Tse Tung could have learned a thing or two from some Airline Pilots. They'll stage a revolution at ANY time for darn mear Nothing. And!! See "Merit" in How it was Staged !! As Painful as this seems?? This might be the "Renissance" of commercial Aviation. It looks that way to Me at least. You guys are very free to disagree and many of you very well Might,
07-02-2010, 04:30 AM
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What this looks like, is the way it was back n the early 80's when I started my career in aviation, Airlines like Air Wisconsin, Golden Gate, Ransome, Henson, Aspen and Rocky Mountain,(to name a few) were "True Airlines" at different airports they allied with different majors but flew under their OWN "Colors". It appears to me NOW that after the UAL Express, American Eagle, Delta Connection, Continental Express, and USAir Express have run their course the "True Independent" regional might again come about and stop all of this "perversion",, Where the Best and Brightest Pilots are going to the "Majors", where the DBA's and flyiing "False Colors" might and should come to an End. After 30 years It might be time. The airlines publish their schedules, Own and FLY their CHOSEN equipment and manage THEIR busness. One thing for sure, You'll see "Riff-Raff" Management like Mesa head to the "Trash heap" and solid managers come to the fore front. It will initially be lousy for the Pilots, but change is usually LOUSY in itself, Isn't it?? Nobody likes upheval, but a little revolution and culling of the herd every now and then is a good thing. America was built on adversity and THIS is about as adverse as it's going to GET!!. My personal take on flow ups and flow downs?? They're a Smoke screen devised to keep a Pilot "compliant" and subserviant to protect his suposed "POSITION".. Pilots as a group are the biggest bunch of revolutionaries as there ever were. Mao Tse Tung could have learned a thing or two from some Airline Pilots. They'll stage a revolution at ANY time for darn mear Nothing. And!! See "Merit" in How it was Staged !! As Painful as this seems?? This might be the "Renissance" of commercial Aviation. It looks that way to Me at least. You guys are very free to disagree and many of you very well Might,
Promises cost management nothing, and I can't think back to any job I've had in this industry where a manager was always promising me one thing or another.
07-02-2010, 06:59 AM
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I think we need to all call our reps and tell them what we want in return for giving up the exception in the JCBA because I'm sure the company will shortly be asking to delete that little nugget. That flow-down is a great protection against furloughs even if it does mean flowing down to Trans States in the future. We better not give it up.
That said, I would entertain the idea of a sunset clause on the Alaska code share effective 12/31/12 and both of the future DC contribution increases effective immediately.
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