BoredwLife

Yes it was. If they want a better contract they need to fight for it like we did.

Ram, I am not attacking you here but if you went on strike for other pilot groups then you were willing to sacrifice your job here to better other pilots lives. In my opinion we didn't do this for others.

Plane Ramrod

Sorry Bored, got my pro-ta guys mixed up.

shiftwork

Rick, why don't you take a break from it

Plane Ramrod

Another big swing and a miss. I thought I had a better sense of humor than to be confused with the likes of him.

Balder

We did do this for others, and they will hopefully do the same for us. Undermining your own profession by accepting low wages or crappy contracts ought to be part of the consideration for any pilot out there. We might all be guilty of doing it at some point in our career. It's a viscous circle. And it has been going on for a long time. And we are ultimately undermining ourselves.

The Spirit pilot group are doing the best they can to reverse the trend. Our TA is not a crappy contract. Work rules are decent. Language is solidified. The wages are coming up, but slower than most of us hoped for. For you non-Spirit pilots out there, as a 10yr cpt currently at 125/hr, I'll be making 185/hr in year 4. It ought to have been more.

So for you Delta pilots out there (or Airtan/United/American or whoever you work for), take our year 4 pay and our work rules and make your best effort to improve on it. Stick your necks out. Start saving now so you can afford to walk off the job in a strike. You have our support when you do.

Sailor

Stop being so positive, you may like it!!

1_ 2 yrs on rsv, never flew past 72 HRS, I actually hang out on a boat.
2_ Thanks GOD, no more 7-9 days straight.
3_ We'll see about that, how is float vac working now?
4_ OT'rs today are blocking over 90, how's that helping now?

Sailor

Now thats FUNNY, I NEED A TOWEL there is spit all over this place! and a personal trimmer for the nose dreadlocks!

Plane Ramrod

No, THAT is funny! I don't think his personal beliefs allow him to own a computer though. And flying with him, for a short time changed the meaning of 'rain coat'. Anyway, back to business...

1. Glade it worked out for you. What if you were out of base and spent those rv days in a hotel or crash pad?

2. Still less pilots required / recalled / upgraded

3. I can see if there is 10% now, under red/green I won't know what the threshold is. In a perfect world, the mec would make sure the 12% was followed, and would have squashed the "net reserve" term in the bud

4. Yep, ot'er are blocking over 90 hours, under the TA, EVERYONE WILL HAVE TO!

Please post any more pearls of wisdom.... I'm hitting happy hour

captscott26

OK, putting opinions on the TA aside for a moment, do you all think it will pass, and by what margin?

I say PASS 60-40.

PCL_128

You might want to ask Art Luby about that the next time you have him on a conference call. I think you'll find that it's a much bigger possibility than you believe. PEBs are about politics, not truly about disruptions to national commerce. President Obama is trying to create a more favorable environment for labor, but in order to do that long-term, he can't have the same groups going on strike repeatedly. It's just bad politics, especially when a large portion of your customer base is in a swing state. If you try to go back on strike, I think it's highly likely that you'll find a PEB issued before the strike even begins. I'm not telling you that you shouldn't vote down the contract. I'm not a Spirit pilot, so that's not a decision that I can make. It's up to the Spirit pilots. But at least make your decision with all of the facts and risks in mind rather than dismissing things that are a real possibility.