BigGuns

I want to make what I once did. I was hoping that if you went on strike you would raise the bar... If you invested so much to strike, why settle for industry average? RASIE THE BAR… That is all.

In the words of Carl Spackler
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“The membership vote is the final word. You would return to strike mode, but your negotiators would actually have more ammunition to return to the company and say: "Look guys, the members have spoken - now let's get down to business."

Good luck either way… I have said my piece. I just was wishing that if a fellow ALPA member struck, it would help, not hinder other members in the near future!

shiftwork

While your complaining; add the NMB then, if you pay dues to ALPA add yourself as well.

Plane Ramrod

Why is it that anyone with a different viewpoint is whining or complaining. There is a lot of experience on this board for you kids to draw from. For example, I've been at Spirit since you were trying to figure out how to cross Clyde Morris. ALPA and the NMB are political entities, the company is not, therefore, absent a strong pilot base, the company wins.

It was a beautiful strike, we had Ben's cojones in a vise, and we were holding the biggest sledge hammer ever made. Then we quit. Screw the NMB, since we were released they mean NOTHING to us. They are irrelevant.

captscott26

You could not be more wrong sir. You REALLY need to get your facts straight!

captscott26

So let me get this straight....a Delta guy comes over and bashes Spirit pilots for the contract we negotiated. WOW! Seems someone is in need of a little history lesson. Just curious, what airlines took deep pay and benefit cuts post 9/11? There, now that you've made your list, lets talk now about who lowered the bar!

FYI...I DID NOT go on strike for the Delta pilot group. I walked the picket line for my family and my present and future co-workers. The resulting TA will almost DOUBLE my pay rate in the next five years, while maintaining retirement, scope, and all of our QOL protections(which are LIGHT YEARS ABOVE INDUSTRY AVERAGE, BTW).

I suggest you educate yourself on our ENTIRE ta before you come over here and run your mouth, it makes you look uninformed and hypocritical.

likeitis

They may cause a few hiccups but in reality he is correct.

likeitis

Emphasis on WILL. Like I asked before. How many contracts have been negotiated over the last 15 years that made it to the amendable date without company give backs? Lets hope yours makes it without give backs but the odds of the Lions winning the Superbowl are probably higher.

Plane Ramrod

REALLY? Why don't you splain it to me? The only thing Art said at the road show, is whichever side did not accept the NMB chick's deal would have to explain to the traveling public.

Wait a sec, when I mentioned to a few MEC members (during the strike) that they were falling into the company's trap discussing our pay as an hourly rate to the media, instead of an annualized salary, they told me not to worry about it, our battle is with the company, not public opinion. SO, they let the news go on about how "Spirit pilots make an average $125/hr", Joe six-pack does the math, 125*40hr/week*52wk/yr... Therefore ALL spirit pilots make 260K/yr! What are you whining about?

Next, if you think this rinky-dink operation warrants even the though of a PEB, you need your head examined.

Plane Ramrod

Oh, that's right, its about you

Plane Ramrod

He is right, read the entire POS TA, then come back and run your mouth. The ENTIRE TA is full of efficiency gains for the company that will keep those furloughed on the street, and those downgraded, in the right seat. We gave more to the company in effeciency then we got in a meager RATE boost. (Not pay boost, rate boost).

What were the efficiency gainers?
1. Slick new reserve system that sells junior pilots into slavery to increase utilization
2. Transition conflict resolution that allows the company to spread out the effect of transition over double the time period.
3. New RED/GREEN system that will nearly insure that you never see a float vacation day again. (In fact I'll bet you never see a green transition day again! - HELLO FLOAT BLACKOUT DATES!)
4. And lets not forget my favorite, 90 hour max line block, or "FORCED OVERTIME"

Yeah, that will get the furloughs back. This TA might have looked good at your last regional, but not here.