Spirit pilots have a TA!!!
06-24-2010, 12:01 PM
#203
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I am thinking future. This contract gets me, a junior FO, to six figures in two years, and keeps our work rules, scope, and retirement. That equates to a secure future for my family(as much as can be with the airlines). This contract turns the Cpt seat at NK into a 200k/year job at the top of the pay scale...im not there yet but I sure intend on getting there.
Not to mention we have the best work rules in the business! Want proof? Im a junior FO and have a 19 day off line next month worth 83 hours. Now if you tell me I can keep a schedule like that, keep good scope, 9% 401k match, good health insurance at a reasonable price, AND make over 100k, thats ok with me. No doubt we didnt hit a home run with the pay scale here, but im willing to take a stand up double.
Im a yes vote.
Not to mention we have the best work rules in the business! Want proof? Im a junior FO and have a 19 day off line next month worth 83 hours. Now if you tell me I can keep a schedule like that, keep good scope, 9% 401k match, good health insurance at a reasonable price, AND make over 100k, thats ok with me. No doubt we didnt hit a home run with the pay scale here, but im willing to take a stand up double.
Im a yes vote.
2. 200K/yr Capt? Yeah, in 2015 IF you manage 90hrs/mo, IF the company is still profitable, IF oil doesn't spike, IF no jihadists get out of line, ect... Wonder how much gas will cost by then. Isn't this in Ben's propaganda?
3. Health Ins at reasonable price? I haven't done the math on mine yet, but two friends have, their premiums go up 43% and other 80% -immediately! PLUS 7% per year!
Vote yes if you want, but tell me this is a good, non-concessionary deal?
I'll believe ya when me ****** turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.
06-24-2010, 12:11 PM
#204
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,114
I guess what I'm saying is calculate your pay based on guarantee since nothing is well.........guarenteed. Then decide if that is what you are worth. Pilots are notorious for not being financially sound, example assuming what you are going to make or if "I have this pay for the next 10 years I can retire at 55." Ya look at all those 60+ guys saying that now. All I'm saying is what happens if you go back on RSV or you don't get upgraded in 2 years are you going to tell the bank "thats what I thought I was going to make" when you don't get the loan.
06-24-2010, 12:39 PM
#205
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 2
There is a lot about pay but what about some other items:
How many hours can they build a bid sheet to? What is the usual amount they build a bid sheet to?
How many hours can you elect to fly to?
Do you still have the guaranteed four days off between trips?
Do you still get paid 150% of pay for open time trips? What does that constitute?
Pension the same?
What's the new per diem, international and night pay?
Vacation changes?
Do you have trip guarantee if it cancels?
Scope changes?
Thanks. Pay is great, but the other items matter too.
How many hours can they build a bid sheet to? What is the usual amount they build a bid sheet to?
How many hours can you elect to fly to?
Do you still have the guaranteed four days off between trips?
Do you still get paid 150% of pay for open time trips? What does that constitute?
Pension the same?
What's the new per diem, international and night pay?
Vacation changes?
Do you have trip guarantee if it cancels?
Scope changes?
Thanks. Pay is great, but the other items matter too.
06-24-2010, 12:46 PM
#206
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,114
There is a lot about pay but what about some other items:
How many hours can they build a bid sheet to? What is the usual amount they build a bid sheet to?
How many hours can you elect to fly to?
Do you still have the guaranteed four days off between trips?
Do you still get paid 150% of pay for open time trips? What does that constitute?
Pension the same?
What's the new per diem, international and night pay?
Vacation changes?
Do you have trip guarantee if it cancels?
Scope changes?
Thanks. Pay is great, but the other items matter too.
How many hours can they build a bid sheet to? What is the usual amount they build a bid sheet to?
How many hours can you elect to fly to?
Do you still have the guaranteed four days off between trips?
Do you still get paid 150% of pay for open time trips? What does that constitute?
Pension the same?
What's the new per diem, international and night pay?
Vacation changes?
Do you have trip guarantee if it cancels?
Scope changes?
Thanks. Pay is great, but the other items matter too.
06-24-2010, 12:56 PM
#207
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 944
1. Six figures isn't going to happen in two years, unless your a 10 yr FO, at DOS +2 based on 90 hr/mo. Your awesome 83 hr line aint going to do it chief. Beside, how many of those lines are out there? AND at 90hrs / mo (except for those lucky enough to get one of your fairy tale lines) you will never see the wife and kids. I did here those "far far away" turns are killer!
2. 200K/yr Capt? Yeah, in 2015 IF you manage 90hrs/mo, IF the company is still profitable, IF oil doesn't spike, IF no jihadists get out of line, ect... Wonder how much gas will cost by then. Isn't this in Ben's propaganda?
3. Health Ins at reasonable price? I haven't done the math on mine yet, but two friends have, their premiums go up 43% and other 80% -immediately! PLUS 7% per year!
Vote yes if you want, but tell me this is a good, non-concessionary deal?
I'll believe ya when me ****** turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.
2. 200K/yr Capt? Yeah, in 2015 IF you manage 90hrs/mo, IF the company is still profitable, IF oil doesn't spike, IF no jihadists get out of line, ect... Wonder how much gas will cost by then. Isn't this in Ben's propaganda?
3. Health Ins at reasonable price? I haven't done the math on mine yet, but two friends have, their premiums go up 43% and other 80% -immediately! PLUS 7% per year!
Vote yes if you want, but tell me this is a good, non-concessionary deal?
I'll believe ya when me ****** turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.
2. The contractual payrates are legally binding. Absent any bankruptcies the company must pay those wages, regardless of oil, profitability, or some jihadist a-hole. If the company ever came to this group to ask for concessions they would promptly get told where and how far to shove it. But I see your point here, life is full of "if's", so ya never know.
3. Have you ever actually USED our health insurance? I have, and its top notch. My wife had our second child in April and I didn't pay one cent through the whole process. I understand that one of the plans went up substantially. My advise is do some research on the other plans and you may be suprised at what you find out.
...and please, dont label this contract as concessionary. Thats one of the most insane statements I have read in a while. What exactly was "conceeded"?
06-24-2010, 01:02 PM
#208
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,577
There is a lot about pay but what about some other items:
How many hours can they build a bid sheet to? What is the usual amount they build a bid sheet to? ***90 hrs block, May avg line 82.9, June 81.5; but it is the busy season.
How many hours can you elect to fly to? ***29/7; 100/mo
Do you still have the guaranteed four days off between trips? ***yes
Do you still get paid 150% of pay for open time trips? What does that constitute? ***no
Pension the same? ***401K 8% (same) for 3 yrs, then 9%
What's the new per diem, international and night pay?***$2.00/hr, increases .05 next 4 yrs
Vacation changes?
Do you have trip guarantee if it cancels? **yes
Scope changes?
Thanks. Pay is great, but the other items matter too. Pay is great??? Still YEARS behind the industry
How many hours can they build a bid sheet to? What is the usual amount they build a bid sheet to? ***90 hrs block, May avg line 82.9, June 81.5; but it is the busy season.
How many hours can you elect to fly to? ***29/7; 100/mo
Do you still have the guaranteed four days off between trips? ***yes
Do you still get paid 150% of pay for open time trips? What does that constitute? ***no
Pension the same? ***401K 8% (same) for 3 yrs, then 9%
What's the new per diem, international and night pay?***$2.00/hr, increases .05 next 4 yrs
Vacation changes?
Do you have trip guarantee if it cancels? **yes
Scope changes?
Thanks. Pay is great, but the other items matter too. Pay is great??? Still YEARS behind the industry
06-24-2010, 01:11 PM
#209
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Posts: 1,536
06-24-2010, 01:27 PM
#210
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Posts: 1,577
1. You figure your numbers any way you want, and I will do the same. I know what I can credit in a month, and therefore I know what I will make in a year, conservatively...chief. Aaaannnndd, Im not based in FLL, so I wouldn't know, nor do I care, what those "far far away" turns are like.
2. The contractual payrates are legally binding. Absent any bankruptcies the company must pay those wages, regardless of oil, profitability, or some jihadist a-hole. If the company ever came to this group to ask for concessions they would promptly get told where and how far to shove it. But I see your point here, life is full of "if's", so ya never know.
3. Have you ever actually USED our health insurance? I have, and its top notch. My wife had our second child in April and I didn't pay one cent through the whole process. I understand that one of the plans went up substantially. My advise is do some research on the other plans and you may be suprised at what you find out.
...and please, dont label this contract as concessionary. Thats one of the most insane statements I have read in a while. What exactly was "conceeded"?
2. The contractual payrates are legally binding. Absent any bankruptcies the company must pay those wages, regardless of oil, profitability, or some jihadist a-hole. If the company ever came to this group to ask for concessions they would promptly get told where and how far to shove it. But I see your point here, life is full of "if's", so ya never know.
3. Have you ever actually USED our health insurance? I have, and its top notch. My wife had our second child in April and I didn't pay one cent through the whole process. I understand that one of the plans went up substantially. My advise is do some research on the other plans and you may be suprised at what you find out.
...and please, dont label this contract as concessionary. Thats one of the most insane statements I have read in a while. What exactly was "conceeded"?
1st, "Far far away" turns refer to destinations in the fantasy land you are living in.
2nd, if approached for concessions, this MEC will run like a scared school girl.
3rd Yes, I have used my insurance, and it is good, but an 80% jump is BS. We are being nudged into the "Health fund" option, which is a fine option, but they are taking the choice away by jacking up the A and B plans. Less choice=BAD
4th Show me where anything I have posted is factually incorrect, with exception of my OPINION of the MEC.
5th With the elimination of the 150% pay for WDO, I will make less under this agreement. So will you if you plan on that 90/mo schedule. *HUGE HIT***
6th Other concessions. Bid-to-bid conflicts, rescheduling, the entire reserve system. All these things save the company a lot of money, which means they cost us a lot of money. I'm all for efficiency, but I think if I'm going to give up something to save them money, we should split it. The entire reserve system is upended, and will produce much greater flexibility. Pay me.
Are you worth less than any other bus guy? We made the same dollar amount in profit last year as JBLU, we had 28 planes at the time. We only get one shot at this per decade, and we are leaving a lot on the table.
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