Spirit pilots have a TA!!!
06-24-2010, 05:50 AM
#191
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The rates at DOS+3 and 4 are terrific, however the rest of it is slightly dissapointing. Not seeing many productivity enhancements that would take away from the increase in pay, but I need more time as well.
06-24-2010, 09:19 AM
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Terrific? Come on. Think future! Not present. Those rates would not be terrific even today not DOS+4. They would be parity. Not terrific! Think how those rates will compare by the time we will sign the next contract! Think about that! Then vote.
06-24-2010, 09:20 AM
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Here is what I can compare quickly:
Captain Pay
(DAL 319/320 at comparable year)(FDX all narrowbodies, contract amendable soon)
yr. DOS+3 DAL . FDX . SWA
1 99.62 . 160.31 . 171.71 . 181
2 119.49 . 161.63 . 190.81 . 184
3 124.04 . 162.95 . 192.83 . 186
4 128.78 . 164.26 . 193.91 . 188
5 133.68 . 165.59 . 194.97 . 190
6 138.78 . 166.92 . 196.03 . 193
7 143.73 . 168.23 . 197.12 . 195
8 147.73 . 169.55 . 198.19 . 197
9 152.15 . 170.87 . 200.47 . 199
10 156.72 172.19 .. 202.78 . 201
11 161.43 173.52 .. 205.10 . 204
12 166.27 174.84 .. 207.16 . 206
13 171.25
14 176.40
15 181.68
MIN DAY:
NK? DAL 5:15 FDX 6:00 SWA??
retirement:
NK?
DAL 14% DC
FDX 50% FAE pension + 7%DC
SWA 9.3% (match)
Captain Pay
(DAL 319/320 at comparable year)(FDX all narrowbodies, contract amendable soon)
yr. DOS+3 DAL . FDX . SWA
1 99.62 . 160.31 . 171.71 . 181
2 119.49 . 161.63 . 190.81 . 184
3 124.04 . 162.95 . 192.83 . 186
4 128.78 . 164.26 . 193.91 . 188
5 133.68 . 165.59 . 194.97 . 190
6 138.78 . 166.92 . 196.03 . 193
7 143.73 . 168.23 . 197.12 . 195
8 147.73 . 169.55 . 198.19 . 197
9 152.15 . 170.87 . 200.47 . 199
10 156.72 172.19 .. 202.78 . 201
11 161.43 173.52 .. 205.10 . 204
12 166.27 174.84 .. 207.16 . 206
13 171.25
14 176.40
15 181.68
MIN DAY:
NK? DAL 5:15 FDX 6:00 SWA??
retirement:
NK?
DAL 14% DC
FDX 50% FAE pension + 7%DC
SWA 9.3% (match)
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06-24-2010, 10:06 AM
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I am thinking future. This contract gets me, a junior FO, to six figures in two years, and keeps our work rules, scope, and retirement. That equates to a secure future for my family(as much as can be with the airlines). This contract turns the Cpt seat at NK into a 200k/year job at the top of the pay scale...im not there yet but I sure intend on getting there.
Not to mention we have the best work rules in the business! Want proof? Im a junior FO and have a 19 day off line next month worth 83 hours. Now if you tell me I can keep a schedule like that, keep good scope, 9% 401k match, good health insurance at a reasonable price, AND make over 100k, thats ok with me. No doubt we didnt hit a home run with the pay scale here, but im willing to take a stand up double.
Im a yes vote.
06-24-2010, 10:25 AM
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I am thinking future. This contract gets me, a junior FO, to six figures in two years, and keeps our work rules, scope, and retirement. That equates to a secure future for my family(as much as can be with the airlines). This contract turns the Cpt seat at NK into a 200k/year job at the top of the pay scale...im not there yet but I sure intend on getting there.
Not to mention we have the best work rules in the business! Want proof? Im a junior FO and have a 19 day off line next month worth 83 hours. Now if you tell me I can keep a schedule like that, keep good scope, 9% 401k match, good health insurance at a reasonable price, AND make over 100k, thats ok with me. No doubt we didnt hit a home run with the pay scale here, but im willing to take a stand up double.
Im a yes vote.
Not to mention we have the best work rules in the business! Want proof? Im a junior FO and have a 19 day off line next month worth 83 hours. Now if you tell me I can keep a schedule like that, keep good scope, 9% 401k match, good health insurance at a reasonable price, AND make over 100k, thats ok with me. No doubt we didnt hit a home run with the pay scale here, but im willing to take a stand up double.
Im a yes vote.
Don't get me wrong I think this is a very good contract, but I do think pay could be alittle better. $100 an hour for a 5 year FO should be minimum but thats just my opinion.
06-24-2010, 10:52 AM
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Six figures might be alittle high. If you're a 5 year FO now in two more years you'll be making alittle less than 90 an hour. That means you'd have to average 90-95 hours a month in pay. That is doable but I don't think likely. Yes, we do have good work rules ie trip and duty rigs but remember this is giving up open time at 150%.
Don't get me wrong I think this is a very good contract, but I do think pay could be alittle better. $100 an hour for a 5 year FO should be minimum but thats just my opinion.
Don't get me wrong I think this is a very good contract, but I do think pay could be alittle better. $100 an hour for a 5 year FO should be minimum but thats just my opinion.
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