Delta is hiring now
05-13-2010, 10:37 AM
#291
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I think I was the one that said degrees were irrelevant.
you were the one that said "um no."
but frankly I'm not on this forum to have a pi$$ing contest so you win.
05-13-2010, 12:32 PM
#292
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I've been told moak and company want more flowthroughs. Anyone else hearing this? (meaning with other Regionals) something about keeping costs down and keeping the pipeline filled for the hiring that is about to take place from this point forward. (lots of hiring is about to start to keep up with retirements let alone growth)
Yes.
If you know anybody in the DCI carrier's MEC's i would confirm it with them. Moak was infavor of expanding.... not necessarily flowthru's but a preferential hiring with all other DCI carriers beside Compass and Mesabe as of last weeks meeting.
Don't shoot the messenger here, and of course confirm with Moak. I do not want to speak for anybody but after the meeting the impression many left with was as follows
Furloughed Delta/NWA
Compass
Mesaba
Other DCI carriers with qualifications Delta is looking for... "Million dollar question"
Military and off the street.
(Trust but Verify)
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05-13-2010, 12:52 PM
#293
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My main point was that your list of hiring order did not even include military. Since he (Moak) was talking to the commuters I don't doubt what was fed. I am saying don't buy into it. There is no way, especially coming from MOAK who is Military, that they won't be high up in the mix rather than not making your list at all. JMO
I came away with the feeling that other DCI carrier pilots will have a opportunity to have preferential hiring before off the street hiring (including the military). Right or wrong that was the tone implied at the Delta and DCI carrier meeting. Obviously, it was a captive audience but it sounded like they wanted to offer people who have been working the Delta product first.
I am not previous military. I would expect that there will be plenty of Military pilots hired just telling you that they may not be hired in the order you think.
Delta WILL hire the great men and women of the military. Overall, the big picture is that there will be plenty of both DCI carrier pilots as well as off the street (including military) pilots. My only insight is that it may be a differnet order then past experiences. The flow thru will see that initial classes are stacked heavy with flow thru's and following classes will be a combination of DCI carrier pilots and off-the-street pilots.
05-13-2010, 01:21 PM
#294
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Long time Lurker here, so now I decided to join the fray
It would be great that some day we could get DAL system seniority numbers for the Delta Connection pilots on day one of their employment with that carrier. I am sure it is a long time off and there are many competing interests but it would solve a great many of these issues.
It would be great that some day we could get DAL system seniority numbers for the Delta Connection pilots on day one of their employment with that carrier. I am sure it is a long time off and there are many competing interests but it would solve a great many of these issues.
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05-13-2010, 01:39 PM
#295
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Never said it wasn't. Just stating what the "goal" should be.
As for what will happen with hiring. There is already language in our PWA that states preferential hiring of DCI pilots. Nothing new there. Flows would be new. There are some inherent issues with flows with airlines that fly for multiple mainline codes.
As for what will happen with hiring. There is already language in our PWA that states preferential hiring of DCI pilots. Nothing new there. Flows would be new. There are some inherent issues with flows with airlines that fly for multiple mainline codes.
05-13-2010, 03:41 PM
#299
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They were included in item 5. All other pilots who meet Delta's criteria.
I came away with the feeling that other DCI carrier pilots will have a opportunity to have preferential hiring before off the street hiring (including the military). Right or wrong that was the tone implied at the Delta and DCI carrier meeting.
I came away with the feeling that other DCI carrier pilots will have a opportunity to have preferential hiring before off the street hiring (including the military). Right or wrong that was the tone implied at the Delta and DCI carrier meeting.
Section 1B 40
f. a carrier that operates any of the 70- or 76-seat jets not being operated as of November 1, 2004, may do so only if that carrier and the Company have agreed to terms for a preferential hiring process for pilots furloughed by the Company (i.e., a pilot furloughed by the Company will be given preferential hiring at a Delta Connection Carrier if he completes all new hire paper work, meets all new hire airman and medical qualifications, satisfies background checks and successfully completes an interview). The Company will offer preferential interviews for employment to airmen employed by a Delta Connection Carrier that offers preferential hiring to such furloughed pilots, subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots, and subject to the Company’s hiring obligations under the NWA CBA LOAs as they appear in LOA #9 (i.e., NWA LOA 2006-10, 2006-14, and 2008-01). A pilot hired by a Delta Connection Carrier operating any of the 70- or 76-seat jets not being operated as of November 1, 2004 will not be required to resign his Delta seniority number in order to be hired by such carrier. Preferential hiring rights at Delta Connection Carriers for pilots furloughed by the Company provided herein will be in addition to any flow down rights such furloughed pilots may have pursuant to the NWA CBA LOAs as they appear in LOA #9 (i.e., NWA LOA 2006-10, 2006-14, and 2008-01). These provisions will apply to carriers that operate 70- or 76-seat jets for the Company as a result of a merger
transaction no later than one year after the closing date.
g. the Company will offer preferential interviews for employment to airmen employed by carriers (whose airmen were represented by the Association) at the time those carriers ceased operations, subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots and subject to Section 1 B. 40. f.
f. a carrier that operates any of the 70- or 76-seat jets not being operated as of November 1, 2004, may do so only if that carrier and the Company have agreed to terms for a preferential hiring process for pilots furloughed by the Company (i.e., a pilot furloughed by the Company will be given preferential hiring at a Delta Connection Carrier if he completes all new hire paper work, meets all new hire airman and medical qualifications, satisfies background checks and successfully completes an interview). The Company will offer preferential interviews for employment to airmen employed by a Delta Connection Carrier that offers preferential hiring to such furloughed pilots, subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots, and subject to the Company’s hiring obligations under the NWA CBA LOAs as they appear in LOA #9 (i.e., NWA LOA 2006-10, 2006-14, and 2008-01). A pilot hired by a Delta Connection Carrier operating any of the 70- or 76-seat jets not being operated as of November 1, 2004 will not be required to resign his Delta seniority number in order to be hired by such carrier. Preferential hiring rights at Delta Connection Carriers for pilots furloughed by the Company provided herein will be in addition to any flow down rights such furloughed pilots may have pursuant to the NWA CBA LOAs as they appear in LOA #9 (i.e., NWA LOA 2006-10, 2006-14, and 2008-01). These provisions will apply to carriers that operate 70- or 76-seat jets for the Company as a result of a merger
transaction no later than one year after the closing date.
g. the Company will offer preferential interviews for employment to airmen employed by carriers (whose airmen were represented by the Association) at the time those carriers ceased operations, subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots and subject to Section 1 B. 40. f.
- Pilots lose longevity
- Jobs are outsourced and a fourth stripe at a major takes another decade to obtain
- Pilots get whipsawed as airplanes go to the regional "flavor of the day" operator
- ALPA remains divided and weakened
- Regional pay continues to undermine mainline pay and mainline pilots will have to "compete" with the regional contracts for aircraft with similar mission profiles (100 seater, DC9, MD88, and some 737 flying)
- Without a foundation, the majors will find it difficult to build a better contract for themselves
- Non union carriers will continue their success at running around scope blockades faster than ALPA can negotiate and get them rebuilt
- The overall standard of the profession is reduced from the top down
- Flow through agreements rely on management promises of future hiring and ALPA's political whims. Bother are subject to change and neither can be counted on.
05-13-2010, 04:54 PM
#300
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From the Delta PWAMoak's "vision" is to continue the outsourcing, and encourage flow through agreements. The problems of outsourcing remain:
- Pilots lose longevity
- Jobs are outsourced and a fourth stripe at a major takes another decade to obtain
- Pilots get whipsawed as airplanes go to the regional "flavor of the day" operator
- ALPA remains divided and weakened
- Regional pay continues to undermine mainline pay and mainline pilots will have to "compete" with the regional contracts for aircraft with similar mission profiles (100 seater, DC9, MD88, and some 737 flying)
- Without a foundation, the majors will find it difficult to build a better contract for themselves
- Non union carriers will continue their success at running around scope blockades faster than ALPA can negotiate and get them rebuilt
- The overall standard of the profession is reduced from the top down
- Flow through agreements rely on management promises of future hiring and ALPA's political whims. Bother are subject to change and neither can be counted on.
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