Delta is hiring now
05-13-2010, 04:57 AM
#271
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
I agree.
You know guys are going to be faced with this. I just want them to hear from as many Delta pilots as possible, do not call in sick. Sorry, it was a loaded question.
BTW, don't call Delta nor speak to whoever is in charge in a manner that shows your confused about whether you want to come to Delta or stay in the military or in your previous job. Yeah, my 600+ personality test was next to AK office listening to a rather lengthy phone conversation with a confused soul who was scheduled for an interview, and it went south and ended poorly: "I don't know if I want to interview you now..."
You know guys are going to be faced with this. I just want them to hear from as many Delta pilots as possible, do not call in sick. Sorry, it was a loaded question.
BTW, don't call Delta nor speak to whoever is in charge in a manner that shows your confused about whether you want to come to Delta or stay in the military or in your previous job. Yeah, my 600+ personality test was next to AK office listening to a rather lengthy phone conversation with a confused soul who was scheduled for an interview, and it went south and ended poorly: "I don't know if I want to interview you now..."
05-13-2010, 06:09 AM
#272
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
Interesting. So this non-college educated heavy jet Captain who goes into places like Bishkek and Eldoret is less qualified than a dripping wet product of a pilot puppy mill.
I bow to the superior ability of the modern RJ FO. All I have to offer is an A&P that includes scared hands, a subscription to the Economist and an ATP with a collection of type ratings and 18,000 hours. And no bent airplanes.
My apologies for offending the profession by my existence.
I bow to the superior ability of the modern RJ FO. All I have to offer is an A&P that includes scared hands, a subscription to the Economist and an ATP with a collection of type ratings and 18,000 hours. And no bent airplanes.
My apologies for offending the profession by my existence.
If you want to get into the game, you've gotta jump through the hoops.
If you've been flying long enough to be a heavy jet captain, then you knew this was a barrier to entry long ago.
05-13-2010, 06:46 AM
#273
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: A330B
Posts: 210
Interesting. So this non-college educated heavy jet Captain who goes into places like Bishkek and Eldoret is less qualified than a dripping wet product of a pilot puppy mill.
I bow to the superior ability of the modern RJ FO. All I have to offer is an A&P that includes scared hands, a subscription to the Economist and an ATP with a collection of type ratings and 18,000 hours. And no bent airplanes.
My apologies for offending the profession by my existence.
I bow to the superior ability of the modern RJ FO. All I have to offer is an A&P that includes scared hands, a subscription to the Economist and an ATP with a collection of type ratings and 18,000 hours. And no bent airplanes.
My apologies for offending the profession by my existence.
05-13-2010, 06:59 AM
#275
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,026
We could call said airline Delta Express Lite. 
At Coex I was around 1100 or so when I was hired 10 years ago Saturday, and from what I saw you had a lot of seniority squaters there. They weren't going to try and go elsewhere even though they could, they'd just hang around and wait to flow. Thus I was told for me to flow to CAL it'd be 10 years. Or had things continued with the way they were going I could go to another legacy and have 7 years of seniority there by the time I'd flow up to CAL. Had that held.
And I remember CAL was not happy in the sense that some of the people they'd be taking are people they don't want. And so they started doing pref interviews and actually took jr folks out of seniority, which made a mess but I understood CAL's point of view. They were literally turning Coex pilots down on that pref interview, hiring pilots junior to them and then one day being forced to take pilots they never initially hired and didn't want now through the flow- and for good reason.
At a minimum any flow program has to have benefits for Delta Air Lines and Delta pilots (i.e. flow down). Outside of CPZ, if we create a pref interview program to say at said airlines once you hit X PIC hours and X criteria then we'll interview you, then there still needs to be a reason why thats better than holding out for pilots at Coex, Horizon, Piedmont, AE, Air Wisconsin, Colgan, RAH, etc.
If there is no gain for Delta pilots, why then limit the hiring pool?
At Coex I was around 1100 or so when I was hired 10 years ago Saturday, and from what I saw you had a lot of seniority squaters there. They weren't going to try and go elsewhere even though they could, they'd just hang around and wait to flow. Thus I was told for me to flow to CAL it'd be 10 years. Or had things continued with the way they were going I could go to another legacy and have 7 years of seniority there by the time I'd flow up to CAL. Had that held.
And I remember CAL was not happy in the sense that some of the people they'd be taking are people they don't want. And so they started doing pref interviews and actually took jr folks out of seniority, which made a mess but I understood CAL's point of view. They were literally turning Coex pilots down on that pref interview, hiring pilots junior to them and then one day being forced to take pilots they never initially hired and didn't want now through the flow- and for good reason.
At a minimum any flow program has to have benefits for Delta Air Lines and Delta pilots (i.e. flow down). Outside of CPZ, if we create a pref interview program to say at said airlines once you hit X PIC hours and X criteria then we'll interview you, then there still needs to be a reason why thats better than holding out for pilots at Coex, Horizon, Piedmont, AE, Air Wisconsin, Colgan, RAH, etc.
If there is no gain for Delta pilots, why then limit the hiring pool?
05-13-2010, 07:03 AM
#276
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,026
I'm ashamed of us not knowing the difference between lose and loose, their and there, two and too, and other basic grade school skills. I think it shows the public that we are not professionals, but glorified bus drivers that deserve our $30,000/year salaries.
05-13-2010, 07:19 AM
#277
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
I also have an editorial head and see the spelling errors when I read - unless it is something I wrote.
Professional just means you get paid for what you do.
We get paid what we negotiate. Period.
Doctors are mechanics of the human body, lawyers are manipulators of the law. If you separate the perception of their profession or professionalism from the perception of the size of their bank accounts the picture might be clearer. Many of them do not make BIG bucks.
I am a strong advocate of us getting paid a lot more - I am prepared to walk the walk. An aspect of that is internal growth and md-90 deliveries in the short term.
Everyone in this job started out somewhere and I am all for hiring standards and professional standards. So if someone meets them, gets hired, weathers probabtion and is a co-worker GREAT! I don't care if they came from a puppy mill or the military. If they can do the job conscientiously and safely, I don't require more from them. If they cannot, nobody wants them around.
Professional just means you get paid for what you do.
We get paid what we negotiate. Period.
Doctors are mechanics of the human body, lawyers are manipulators of the law. If you separate the perception of their profession or professionalism from the perception of the size of their bank accounts the picture might be clearer. Many of them do not make BIG bucks.
I am a strong advocate of us getting paid a lot more - I am prepared to walk the walk. An aspect of that is internal growth and md-90 deliveries in the short term.
Everyone in this job started out somewhere and I am all for hiring standards and professional standards. So if someone meets them, gets hired, weathers probabtion and is a co-worker GREAT! I don't care if they came from a puppy mill or the military. If they can do the job conscientiously and safely, I don't require more from them. If they cannot, nobody wants them around.
05-13-2010, 07:36 AM
#278
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 176
Recall question 642 was "I feel like I'm always being tested" ... after two days, I filled in the block for "agree"
After I turned in the test it occurred to me that the computer might not recognize sarcasm, but it was too late. Got hired anyway
After I turned in the test it occurred to me that the computer might not recognize sarcasm, but it was too late. Got hired anyway
05-13-2010, 07:43 AM
#279
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 176
Interesting. So this non-college educated heavy jet Captain who goes into places like Bishkek and Eldoret is less qualified than a dripping wet product of a pilot puppy mill.
I bow to the superior ability of the modern RJ FO. All I have to offer is an A&P that includes scared hands, a subscription to the Economist and an ATP with a collection of type ratings and 18,000 hours. And no bent airplanes.
My apologies for offending the profession by my existence.
I bow to the superior ability of the modern RJ FO. All I have to offer is an A&P that includes scared hands, a subscription to the Economist and an ATP with a collection of type ratings and 18,000 hours. And no bent airplanes.
My apologies for offending the profession by my existence.
Like you, I think turning wrenches does more for a pilots foundation of useful knowledge than does turning pages in an accounting standards class that it out of date three years after graduation. But, airline management mostly has advanced degrees and they make these decisions. They also want to see an ability to work with others on projects outside of flying.
They are either hiring us to run the Company someday, or they just wanted to elevate the standard of debate on APC. Don't know how I slipped through, but Delta is a great place to work.
05-13-2010, 07:53 AM
#280
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 176
Alright, change of topic here.
In a few months folks are going to get that email to call Delta and schedule an interview. We know you need to go asap and get in class asap. So what happens if after scheduling it a conflict arises and you cannot go. In the oppinion of those at big D, how should an interviewee handle it? Especially if its a situation where an interviewee is an RJ pilot and their schedule options suck and they're not allowed personal drops but they know Delta asks about sick calls so thats not a viable option. What then?!?
In a few months folks are going to get that email to call Delta and schedule an interview. We know you need to go asap and get in class asap. So what happens if after scheduling it a conflict arises and you cannot go. In the oppinion of those at big D, how should an interviewee handle it? Especially if its a situation where an interviewee is an RJ pilot and their schedule options suck and they're not allowed personal drops but they know Delta asks about sick calls so thats not a viable option. What then?!?
(1) A Captain I used to fly with called in sick from his E120 job, got hired at Delta. Delta discovered the sick call and initially gave the applicant the opportunity to write a letter of apology to his former employer. The letter was very condescending to the former employer. Delta got a copy of the letter and found it offensive. Pilot ended up with no job, at former carrier, or Delta.
(2) I was offered an interview date on a reserve day. I called to move the reserve day and was told no. I called Delta back and scheduled an interview a month away on a day they were interviewing which I had scheduled off. Friends who interviewed the original day that I was scheduled are now hundreds (185'ish) of numbers senior to me (thanks merger) and hold equipment that pays them at least 10% more than I get paid and they have been able to avoid some of the displacements to smaller equipment. Figure over the course of a career that reserve day cost me more than $200,000 if the 10% pay bump remains constant.
Moral of these observations: Honesty can be expensive. Dishonesty can be even worse. If you go into an interview with something to hide, they'll probably either know, or sense something isn't quite right.
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