scambo1

Hockey;

I have a bachelors and two masters degrees. I work in the developmental engineering world when not at DAL. Please illuminate me on how my degree is employed at DAL. It is a differentiator, it doesn't necessarily make you a better person. One of my best freinds is a retired DAL 7ERA - the horror. He came with the western merger, he has still got no degree. Somehow he eeked by.

acl65pilot

Thanks Scambo, not I feel dumb, ugh.

scambo1

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This guy sounded a little military biased

contrails

If it ended then that is the only way it would be fair. The current 400 were there through the worst recession the de-regulated industry has ever seen and that was a risk to take.

I remember where you said you worked last, and your starting pay was the about the same...or less. Thinking back to your new-hire days there, were you a good candidate? Would someone twice your experience from that company that went to United instead of NWA make them a bad candidate? After all, they're applying for a $23/hr job.

No, of course it wouldn't, because there are other things to consider, like keeping 121 recency of experience.

Don't know where you got that from but, let's say it was that high of a percentage, for those that are already employed there (that is, not doing the new ATL interview) wouldn't you think their aviation experience by now trumps a four-year degree? Hypothetically you could compare someone who partied their way through a big state school with no goal at the time, to someone who was a 727 captain at Champion for a decade but didn't go to college back when they started flying. In that instance, does a degree really matter?

A lot of people probably said "personally I'll never go to a place like that, I'll exercise other options instead." Yet there they are with 10, 15, 20K total time in the right seat of the E175.

Agreed.

One single pilot got in with less than 1000TT and it wasn't that low either.

The rest were between 1000 and 1500. It wasn't the union that stepped in as much as the company saying "what the heck?!?!" as to how they suddenly had the training department saying, we can't get these people their ATP the normal way like the rest of them. It ended up being an inside deal that I am not going to post online. PM if you'd like. Additionally probably all of the seven who you mention do have a degree.

Okay but by the time they were to flow, they would definitely be competitive because they are all captains right now.

I agree. I think that is a fair and reasonable requirement going forward.

Superpilot92

I've been told moak and company want more flowthroughs. Anyone else hearing this? (meaning with other Regionals) something about keeping costs down and keeping the pipeline filled for the hiring that is about to take place from this point forward. (lots of hiring is about to start to keep up with retirements let alone growth)

hockeypilot44

When I applied to my previous job, I barely had over 1200 hours of flight time. Respectable companies wouldn't even look at me. I was single and right out of college. I needed a stepping stone job to get me to a major airline. It worked out.

I don't think experience trumps the degree. I feel becoming an airline pilot is way too easy. It has been turned into a ****ty job because of this. My job at Delta is good, but there are a hundred terrible jobs for every job like mine. The only way for our salaries to go up is to turn supply and demand in our favor. To do this, we need to decrease our supply of pilots. I think a degree would be a good place to start. We used to be compared to professionals like lawyers, doctors, etc. They are all educated. We need to be also. Our grammar and spelling on these message boards is atrocious. I'm glad that for the most part the general public never sees these boards.

scambo1

I'm glad that for the most part, the general public never sees these boards.


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Hockey;
Are you ashamed of us?

ToiletDuck

Lets see who can find the most errors in his post!

First glance I picked up seven

contrails

I agree with how you feel about all that. I think the more entrance standards the better because there ought to be an intelligence test for the commercial pilot certificate but the FAA would never know how to do it so we can't count on that.

I just think that if a company hired a couple hundred people that have in their contract an agreement that they are the furlough buffer for mainline but in return they can flow through to mainline when times are good, they ought to be able to go. Now with the new interview the degree is required but for the however many there are there now (I doubt it's anywhere near 15%), they are there and that is that. Briefly it was easy to get hired there and it has become one of the only ones to be hiring at all now.

DelDah Capt

I'm with you on this. The dumbing down of this profession is proceeding along at break neck speed. While they'd never admit it to the public, I'm convinced that many airline managers believe that aircraft automation, warning systems, and reliability have become so advanced that they can stick any schmuck who's willing to work for $20 an hour in the seat and the overall safety of the system will keep things in check. We make this easier for them by clamoring for lower requirements to make it easier to get the job....Who needs a four year degree. Heck, look at how we're trained nowadays compared to even a decade ago. There's virtually no systems knowledge at all and we all cheer (myself included) because it makes orals easier, but I'm telling you it's going to bite us in the a$$. Most guys don't even fly anymore.....2000ft, autopilot on. We really are becoming the button pushing monkees that the public thinks we are.

Let's face it, if you've got the money nowadays, it's really easy to buy yourself licenses at any number of pilot puppy mills who would love to get your cash and are probably loathe to kick anyone out because it's bad for business. Ratings and a few thousand hours of is not a guarantee of anything. There are so few real requirements left for this job, I just don't think we should be getting rid of any of them.


That being said, I'm not against the concept of Flowthroughs per se, and I look forward to flying with any Compass/Mesaba guys and gals