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04-30-2010, 10:39 AM

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Eric Stratton

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Originally Posted by 757Driver

Not good enough I'm afraid. I say let the current contracts run their course then revert to the 50 seat scope with all 50+ seat flying done by mainline UAL Pilots.

Can't figure out why so many guys are so willing to sell themselves short all the time?

I would say lack of real leadership

04-30-2010, 03:06 PM

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luv757

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Originally Posted by Fritzthepilot

Well, this is one thing a CAL and UAL pilot can agree on. Let the contracts unwind and then we take take the 50+ planes back. It's time to stand for something. Together.

Hear Hear!!

04-30-2010, 03:29 PM

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contrail67

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A merger is able to happen without doing anything with scope...as far as giving up scope. The pilots/ALPA will have more control in this than most realize. I still think it will be very difficult to get back what has been given away.

04-30-2010, 03:37 PM

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REAL Pilot

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Originally Posted by contrail67

Speaking of ALPO, it would be nice if the MEC would throw out some info on just what our position is. Or is it that we have no position and just negotiate until we feel that is the best we can do??

Carpe Diem

04-30-2010, 04:09 PM

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contrail67

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The ALPA survey we did in the last month gave everyone a starting "say". Lots of questions that are appicable to this situation....not sure if you are a CAL of UAL pilot...did CAL get a survey too?

04-30-2010, 04:27 PM

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DAL330drvr

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Does anyone know if the UAL/CAL MEC's are already engaged in Seniority and Joint Contract talks?

04-30-2010, 05:47 PM

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chuckyt1

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Originally Posted by DAL330drvr

Does anyone know if the UAL/CAL MEC's are already engaged in Seniority and Joint Contract talks?

Yes they are, have been for some time.

As to the scope debate and how it relates to contracts - Does it matter whether a FFD operator departs with a 50 seat or 70 seat airplane?

If not perhaps CALs scope is within reach. Otherwise, not one more 70 seater than is operating today.

04-30-2010, 09:28 PM

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avi8tor4life

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Look at the range the 70 seaters have now. What airplane has it replaced? UAL has put crj-700s on old 737 runs where mainline flew. So I do think there is a difference between 70 and 50 seats.
The 50's can barely make it above 30k and have all kinds of weight issues. They should be "feed" not destination flights: I.e. Sbn-Ord, pia-Ord not Sfo-Sat, or Lax-Dfw.

05-01-2010, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by REAL Pilot

Speaking of ALPO, it would be nice if the MEC would throw out some info on just what our position is.

Just curious - what would your "position" be on the issues that can and will be addressed by the MECs during the merger? Do you really need them to tell you a "position" at this moment? I think your MEC might be busy right now.

You do a job that sometimes requires you to focus on doing important tasks as well as possible, without informing the passengers exactly what you're doing...and why. Maybe the MECs are handling this correctly right now, and you're too stuck in the passenger mode to appreciate what its like up front?

Not a criticism; just a thought.

05-01-2010, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by avi8tor4life

I'd check your source on that. CRJ 200's perhaps but not EMB 145's. The 145's regularly fly at 35 or 37 and have a range at minimum over 1000nm with the XR's closer to 2000nm