House wants 1500hrs, sends bill back
03-26-2010, 06:55 PM
#52
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It's very simple. When airlines can't get people to show up, they lower mins. Other industries, when they can't get people to show up, they raise pay. What this does is prohibit airlines from lowering mins to get warm bodies in so they don't have to increase pay. Now, the pay has to go up, or they won't find any more warm bodies to show up for class. That's the whole point and why this is a good thing. It won't happen overnight but it will do all of us good years later.
03-26-2010, 07:06 PM
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I'm sorry, but I don't agree with your reasoning. Hiring mins in the late 90's were up above 1200 hrs and the pay was still sh!t. Your missing my point. Just because airline pay goes up a couple of dollars, doesn't mean that a 600 hour pilot is going to get 1500 instantly the next day because it's now more enticing. Mngts know that even more experienced pilots will fly for sh!t wages and they are not going to raise it much if any just to attract pilots. This bill will have no affect on pay.
03-26-2010, 07:26 PM
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No I'm sorry.. you don't get it.
Try not to get so defensive, and tell me I don't get it. I said that you didn't get MY point. We can get nasty about it if you'd like.
Up 'till this bill passes, airlines can lower mins so they don't have to increase pilot pay. The reason why they had 2500 hour mins in the 90s is because there was still an incentive to be a pilot, a 737 job was waiting for you 3 to 5 short years later after flying in poverty with TODAYS regional rates! The same can't be said about current state of the industry.
OOOOKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.
Supply will go way down and airlines will be forced to increase compensation levels instead of lowring mins to get starry eyed 200hr wonders.
So when "supply will go way down," where do the pilots come from all of the sudden because of this great new higher pay? Is it TSA that your furloughed from? Are you going to go back if they recall. Would you be more experienced at that time?
Try not to get so defensive, and tell me I don't get it. I said that you didn't get MY point. We can get nasty about it if you'd like.
Up 'till this bill passes, airlines can lower mins so they don't have to increase pilot pay. The reason why they had 2500 hour mins in the 90s is because there was still an incentive to be a pilot, a 737 job was waiting for you 3 to 5 short years later after flying in poverty with TODAYS regional rates! The same can't be said about current state of the industry.
OOOOKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.
Supply will go way down and airlines will be forced to increase compensation levels instead of lowring mins to get starry eyed 200hr wonders.
So when "supply will go way down," where do the pilots come from all of the sudden because of this great new higher pay? Is it TSA that your furloughed from? Are you going to go back if they recall. Would you be more experienced at that time?
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03-26-2010, 07:54 PM
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As superpilot said before, the pilots have been there but they wont show up for poverty pay regionals have been offering. As pay goes up so will the demand. In order for pilot pay to go up, supply and demand has to be in our favor AND airlines not being able to lower mins!
03-26-2010, 07:54 PM
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The military is not an option for 95% of young pilots. Soon with the UAVs there will be 0 pilots coming from the military to airlines so it's probably ridiculous to recommend someone to a 10+ year commitment in the armed services who will never see 1 flight hour. Seriously, how many pilots are leaving the military for the airlines right now? Let's get real.
UAVs are growing especially in the USAF but there are a lot of positives in addition to the many negatives.
The posters who talk about reducing supply while holding demand constant or growing it will drive up wages are hitting it on the head IMHO. Regionals won't be able to drop the mins to "can see the airplane and know that it flies".
03-26-2010, 08:11 PM
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1500 min won't increase wages however it will decrease supply. In the new world economy its all about who can do it the cheapest. Their will always be someone behind you that will fly for less. I do believe there could be a shortage in the future but I don't see how it will translate into 1990's wages. Airlines can fly larger capacity planes at regional wages. This is a cut throat business and if you can't do it cheaper someone will. If you want higher wages then lobby to get rid of deregulation. This is free market capitalism and its happening in all business. Ask your non flying friends who much they are making compared to yesterday. Everyone is felling the pinch.
03-26-2010, 08:12 PM
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It will have to be livable, at least current second year pay. Along with the contract work rules. It's not just about pay.
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