House wants 1500hrs, sends bill back
03-26-2010, 03:38 PM
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What are the downsides to 1,500 hours? What will the 2nd and 3rd order effects be? Don't get me wrong - I'm happy to see this happen, but I'm just curious if it will make it harder for the regionals to find pilots. Instead of hiring 1,500 hour American pilots, will foreign owned regional airlines be able to transplant their pilots who will happily work for even less money than our current generation of RJ pilot puppy mill guys?
Bottom line: this is good, but it also requires mainline pilots to take back scope.
Bottom line: this is good, but it also requires mainline pilots to take back scope.
03-26-2010, 03:42 PM
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alright, so what i can gather from this, is that you guys are happy because 1500 hrs is a lot harder to achieve so it will keep the senior pilots who have been working a long time and deserve to be there and will make the airlines less likely to furlough them and hire new pilots who would work for cheap...more or less? please ignore my ignorance lol
03-26-2010, 03:42 PM
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alright, so what i can gather from this, is that you guys are happy because 1500 hrs is a lot harder to achieve so it will keep the senior pilots who have been working a long time and deserve to be there and will make the airlines less likely to furlough them and hire new pilots who would work for cheap...more or less? please ignore my ignorance lol
03-26-2010, 03:45 PM
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03-26-2010, 03:46 PM
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I have a question.
For us low timers, how do you get from 250 to 1500 with crew conditions and things like that if flying 135 requires 1500 also?
I'm just very confused about how you would reach that 1500... without paying for every hour that is. (and don't tell me banner/pipewatch/etc.)
I mean what real commercial flying job can you have to get to 1500 that has the crew management and all the things they want?(instructing will get you there but not with crew management)
Don't get me wrong, this bill will make pay finally go where it should. people have no idea pilots are underpaid. I tell my friends what FOs make in regionals and even Majors (and how much training cost) and they don't believe me. It's ridiculous.
For us low timers, how do you get from 250 to 1500 with crew conditions and things like that if flying 135 requires 1500 also?
I'm just very confused about how you would reach that 1500... without paying for every hour that is. (and don't tell me banner/pipewatch/etc.)
I mean what real commercial flying job can you have to get to 1500 that has the crew management and all the things they want?(instructing will get you there but not with crew management)
Don't get me wrong, this bill will make pay finally go where it should. people have no idea pilots are underpaid. I tell my friends what FOs make in regionals and even Majors (and how much training cost) and they don't believe me. It's ridiculous.
03-26-2010, 03:50 PM
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I have a question.
For us low timers, how do you get from 250 to 1500 with crew conditions and things like that if flying 135 requires 1500 also?
I'm just very confused about how you would reach that 1500... without paying for every hour that is. (and don't tell me banner/pipewatch/etc.)
I mean what real commercial flying job can you have to get to 1500 that has the crew management and all the things they want?
Don't get me wrong, this bill will make pay finally go where it should. people have no idea pilots are underpaid. I tell my friends what FOs make in regionals and even Majors (and how much training cost) and they don't believe me. It's ridiculous.
For us low timers, how do you get from 250 to 1500 with crew conditions and things like that if flying 135 requires 1500 also?
I'm just very confused about how you would reach that 1500... without paying for every hour that is. (and don't tell me banner/pipewatch/etc.)
I mean what real commercial flying job can you have to get to 1500 that has the crew management and all the things they want?
Don't get me wrong, this bill will make pay finally go where it should. people have no idea pilots are underpaid. I tell my friends what FOs make in regionals and even Majors (and how much training cost) and they don't believe me. It's ridiculous.
03-26-2010, 03:50 PM
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I have a question.
For us low timers, how do you get from 250 to 1500 with crew conditions and things like that if flying 135 requires 1500 also?
I'm just very confused about how you would reach that 1500... without paying for every hour that is. (and don't tell me banner/pipewatch/etc.)
I mean what real commercial flying job can you have to get to 1500 that has the crew management and all the things they want?
For us low timers, how do you get from 250 to 1500 with crew conditions and things like that if flying 135 requires 1500 also?
I'm just very confused about how you would reach that 1500... without paying for every hour that is. (and don't tell me banner/pipewatch/etc.)
I mean what real commercial flying job can you have to get to 1500 that has the crew management and all the things they want?
Part 135 doesn't require the 1500, only 1200, which you could get instructing. So it looks likes the steps to get to the airlines would be: Commercial, Instructing, Part 135 flying, Airlines...which is the way it should be instead of the current: Commercial, Airlines.........Fatal accident.
03-26-2010, 03:53 PM
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Part 135 doesn't require the 1500, only 1200, which you could get instructing. So it looks likes the steps to get to the airlines would be: Commercial, Instructing, Part 135 flying, Airlines...which is the way it should be instead of the current: Commercial, Airlines.........Fatal accident.
The part that really gets me is that because of ATP mins and low airline pay it's kinda like:
Commercial, Instructing, Airline, Corporate/charter. Where it really shouldn't be that way in my opinion.
03-26-2010, 03:53 PM
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alright, so what i can gather from this, is that you guys are happy because 1500 hrs is a lot harder to achieve so it will keep the senior pilots who have been working a long time and deserve to be there and will make the airlines less likely to furlough them and hire new pilots who would work for cheap...more or less? please ignore my ignorance lol
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