House wants 1500hrs, sends bill back
03-27-2010, 02:05 PM
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That is partially correct. There are several reasons that a pilot (CA or FO) who carries passengers for a scheduled air carrier needs to have a significant amount of hours before he can be hired. Other than what you said and what everybody is dwelling on in this thread (increased pay) a few other important reasons to keep in mind are: The wash out factor; should have scared the crap out of ones self at least once by 1500tt; overall maturity; level of responsibility, etc. Not everyone that reaches 1500tt will show positive reflections on the reasons above but more will than do today.
03-27-2010, 02:29 PM
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03-27-2010, 02:48 PM
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Excuse my ignorance but who sets the payrates at the airlines? I know management has some say but I thought pilots have always agreed to those payrates. Kind of like vote on it.
When everyone complains about pay and work rules at the regionals just remember that the pilots agreed to it. To change the pay rates you have to have people willing to vote no.
When everyone complains about pay and work rules at the regionals just remember that the pilots agreed to it. To change the pay rates you have to have people willing to vote no.
03-27-2010, 02:51 PM
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I'll add my two cents. I think the 1500 hr rule is a great thing fpr the industry for a variety of reasons already posted. Whether the gov't ends up doing it is still in limbo - but the current move sending it back was a step in the right direction. Often though - 1 step forward, 2 steps back is a common theme.
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03-27-2010, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Zoomie
If you are concerned about medical disqualification, that is BS too. I agree that some people with medical anomalies will have some trouble, but most people can be qualified as long as they don't weigh 300 lbs and are a big fat slob. Even if there is an issue, almost anything in the military can be "waived" to get someone into training, short of missing an eye or an arm.
03-27-2010, 03:23 PM
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Bingo, I know several that have left flying all together rather than take a job at any regional with the atrocious FO pay.
03-27-2010, 05:19 PM
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remember that the majority of pilots at regionals have been in the business for a shorter period versus the pilots at the majors. The pilots at majors have more experience at flying and for this arguement have more experience at the business side of being a pilot. The idea of voting no is easy in theory but in reality the wisdom and leadership of the greyhairs would go a long way in helping. The leadership of the major pilots years ago, who most are now probably gone, voted to outsource thinking that they could get gains by slighting they junior and soon to be professional pilots. In the long run they, if they are still around, only hurt themselves. Its the major pilots that gave it away, its up to them to get it back. I'm not saying that the regional affiliate pilots shouldn't help. I just think its ironic that awhile ago the senior crowd said we don't want to help you, go at it alone and now when its hurting them they are now the group that are piping in with there comments. Don't say you guys should do this or that, stand up, unify and show real leadership and say WE are going to do this and that and include the younger group.
You're kind of contradicting yourself. You say that the greyhair wisdom could be used at the regionals and then say that they are the ones that sold them out. Wheres the wisdom in that?
What can a senior pilot say to a regional that his paycheck/contract doesn't already tell him? It's easy to vote no, just pick the one that doesn't say yes. The airplanes are where they are. That might change someday but until that happens it's now on the regionals. If people want to look for help I'd start with the other regionals rather than the majors. Is there anything that the majors have done to show that they want to help other than rhetoric? I'm pretty sure delta separated compass from their mec recently. I did hear that former nwa wanted to keep them so maybe that is a first sign but then again delta didn't. majority rules...
03-27-2010, 05:30 PM
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alright, so what i can gather from this, is that you guys are happy because 1500 hrs is a lot harder to achieve so it will keep the senior pilots who have been working a long time and deserve to be there and will make the airlines less likely to furlough them and hire new pilots who would work for cheap...more or less? please ignore my ignorance lol
No, we're happy that when we start flying with new hires fresh off of IOE again, we will be able to once again help them orient to our airlines type of flying, rather than having to teach them how to fly, and watch every move they make to stop them before they make the stupid mistakes that should have been made in a seminole, not in an airliner with paying passengers.
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