FliFast

EOS class of pilots starts Feb 19th, if I'm not mistaken.

FWIW

pilotara

Yes they did

767pilot

I'm curious what good CASS would do as it is for domestic only. Your managers seem to have a problem with us peons riding in the back with the swells

MuseumDriver

Would anyone know if the director of training is Knut Finnevolden? I heard a rumor that he was hired there and appointed the position... I dont think he has an hour of jet time.

captjns

Understand its not the pilots, but management. During beers at the 3 Horse Shoes a while back, it is the desires of Mgt. that no full fare paying passenger paying upwards of $7,000 round trip should sit next to a non revenue pax who only paid the taxes to travel.

MAXjet on the other hand are willing to take both pilots and cabin crew whenever there is an empty seat, provided they are on the jump seat agreement list.

So if and when an EOS crewmember needs a ride some place, have a heart, and understand that if they could they would extend you an invitation to ride.

B757200ER

That's not exactly "reciprocity', mate. EOS needs to open up those seats, regardless of the fares, because that is the industry standard protocol. Otherwise, they risk a big backlash against their commuters. Trust me, it could get ugly.

Ganbare

Management at Eos has a hard time understanding the concept of jumpseating and how dear a benefit it is and they lose pilots as a result. If you truly want to punish the pilots for the deeds of management go right on ahead but it's not the pilots that are at fault here. I guarantee all of the pilots at Eos would love to give you a ride, but they can only do that for pilots with a reciprocal agreement. Last I knew that included Jet Blue, Delta and several of Delta's feeders. Believe me, the pilots have tried and are trying to add to that list but management is very hard headed. Half the pilots at Delta are early-retired Delta guys, you really think they are at fault? Like I said go on ahead and punish them if you wish, call them names if it makes you feel better...but they are not at fault.

Ganbare

ockham

What part of having formal jumpseat agreements is so bad. The way I understand their problem is that they really do not want to fill the seats with people from airlines that they feel their own people will not use. In a conversation with Eos it was stated that he is more than willing to sign any agreement if it would help one crewmember get home, but that he really did not want to enter into agreements with just everybody, and potentially knock the jumpseater from let's say JetBlue or some other carrier that he knows his crews use all the time, because the seats were already taken.

While you state that this is industry standard I can agree that it would be nice to have just an open policy. Sometimes management just needs some time to get used to a new concept. It does not mean that the employees are not trying to change things from within. One thing I can agree with them on is that the Atlas folks are pushing this on several boards and that I really do not see why I would go out of my way to help them. I had a terrible experience with an Atlas jumpseater that unfortunately we put in first class. It turned out that he smelled horrible and managed to use the F word about every 3 seconds in front of paying pax. I ended up getting a call from my domicile Chief Pilot and spent way to much time dealing with it.

Open jumpseats are a great idea, but my experience is that some folks just do not know how to behave, and give the concept a bad rap.

B757200ER

When a new airline starts up, they don't 'pick and choose' what companies THEY want on THEIR reciprocal jumpseat list; that's not how its done. They open their doors and seats to all Part 121 pilots in exchange for establishing reciprocal agreements. It has nothing to do with punishing EOS pilots, who I'm happy to take; it has everything to do with following industry standard protocols and opening up their seats, or risk being removed from other carrier lists.

Skyone

True and true.