Southwest pilots reject contract extension
#1
#3
Originally Posted by hatetobreakit2u
alright, raise that bar guys!
next its time for FEDEX to get their ass moving on a contract
next its time for FEDEX to get their ass moving on a contract
What more would you like us to do?................The NMB is and the Company are the ones dragging
their feet.
#4
If I were a pilot, I would rather help the company out for a year and keep my job than force the campany to raise fares. If passengers don't get reasonable fares at my company, they will go elsewhere. I would choose to keep making the same amout of money for one more year so that low fares would attract more paying passengers. A company only has a certain amount of money to pay their employees. If the payroll exceeds that amount, someone is going to have to go. I would rather bear with the company for one year making the same amount of money and know that I still have a paying job.
But then again, I am not a pilot.............yet.
Another thing, I don't like unions. I believe they work too hard at driving up wages. This creates a problem for a company because if the money for wages is not there, its not there. I would rather deal directly with the company. I know that if I do my job well, productivity and profits will increase. I believe that a worker should be paid based on how much revenue they help bring to the company. If profits increase, I get a pay increase. If a worker is lazy and does not do their share of the work, they need to go find a job somewhere else.
These are just my thoughts.
p.s. I do not mean to offend anyone. If you would like to share with me how your union operates, I would be glad to expand my knowledge of union operations.
But then again, I am not a pilot.............yet.
Another thing, I don't like unions. I believe they work too hard at driving up wages. This creates a problem for a company because if the money for wages is not there, its not there. I would rather deal directly with the company. I know that if I do my job well, productivity and profits will increase. I believe that a worker should be paid based on how much revenue they help bring to the company. If profits increase, I get a pay increase. If a worker is lazy and does not do their share of the work, they need to go find a job somewhere else.
These are just my thoughts.
p.s. I do not mean to offend anyone. If you would like to share with me how your union operates, I would be glad to expand my knowledge of union operations.
#6
Originally Posted by AlyE
If I were a pilot, I would rather help the company out for a year and keep my job than force the campany to raise fares.
Another thing, I don't like unions. I believe they work too hard at driving up wages. This creates a problem for a company because if the money for wages is not there, its not there. I would rather deal directly with the company. These are just my thoughts.
p.s. I do not mean to offend anyone. If you would like to share with me how your union operates, I would be glad to expand my knowledge of union operations.
Another thing, I don't like unions. I believe they work too hard at driving up wages. This creates a problem for a company because if the money for wages is not there, its not there. I would rather deal directly with the company. These are just my thoughts.
p.s. I do not mean to offend anyone. If you would like to share with me how your union operates, I would be glad to expand my knowledge of union operations.
Unions are what created the Middle class........
#7
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
You obviously have never worked as a Blue Collar worker or in a Labor position........
Unions are what created the Middle class........
Unions are what created the Middle class........
Last edited by AlyE; 07-02-2006 at 05:10 PM.
#8
You just don't get it
Originally Posted by AlyE
If I were a pilot, I would rather help the company out for a year and keep my job than force the campany to raise fares. If passengers don't get reasonable fares at my company, they will go elsewhere. I would choose to keep making the same amout of money for one more year so that low fares would attract more paying passengers. A company only has a certain amount of money to pay their employees. If the payroll exceeds that amount, someone is going to have to go. I would rather bear with the company for one year making the same amount of money and know that I still have a paying job.
But then again, I am not a pilot.............yet.
Another thing, I don't like unions. I believe they work too hard at driving up wages. This creates a problem for a company because if the money for wages is not there, its not there. I would rather deal directly with the company. I know that if I do my job well, productivity and profits will increase. I believe that a worker should be paid based on how much revenue they help bring to the company. If profits increase, I get a pay increase. If a worker is lazy and does not do their share of the work, they need to go find a job somewhere else.
These are just my thoughts.
p.s. I do not mean to offend anyone. If you would like to share with me how your union operates, I would be glad to expand my knowledge of union operations.
But then again, I am not a pilot.............yet.
Another thing, I don't like unions. I believe they work too hard at driving up wages. This creates a problem for a company because if the money for wages is not there, its not there. I would rather deal directly with the company. I know that if I do my job well, productivity and profits will increase. I believe that a worker should be paid based on how much revenue they help bring to the company. If profits increase, I get a pay increase. If a worker is lazy and does not do their share of the work, they need to go find a job somewhere else.
These are just my thoughts.
p.s. I do not mean to offend anyone. If you would like to share with me how your union operates, I would be glad to expand my knowledge of union operations.
One of the best things about reading some of these posts is that as soon as you read it, you can see the blood in the water. You know the guys gonna get blasted, you just don't know how long it's gonna take.
The problem with your statement is that it lacks any real truth or understanding of how corporations actually function. We used to have a "profit sharing" plan at purple, but it was manipulated so badly that it never really gave you anything for your efforts. And we kept waiting for the benevolent leadership to give us our due. It never came. Don't get me wrong, we still made a good living for the most part. But it wasn't really based on how much revenue you produce or on the company's profitability. And just how do you calculate the revenue generated for a Capt that shoots 2 approaches to m/a's, holds for another 30 minutes, then shoots one last approach on min fuel so he can get an MD11 full of freight into NRT?(aside from being crazy)
It's a great concept, it just doesn't work. I would dare say that if it did, Unions wouldn't have a place in our profession..
#9
Originally Posted by Wanderlust
Bud, if it weren't for the unions, pilots would be paid like bus drivers. Flying is not a performance based occupation. It's about getting there safely and on time.
I have research some about union; however, I would like to hear how they operate from someone that is a member of a union. Would you care to enlighten me on the subject of how a union operates?
#10
Originally Posted by fecav8r
One of the best things about reading some of these posts is that as soon as you read it, you can see the blood in the water. You know the guys gonna get blasted, you just don't know how long it's gonna take.
The problem with your statement is that it lacks any real truth or understanding of how corporations actually function. We used to have a "profit sharing" plan at purple, but it was manipulated so badly that it never really gave you anything for your efforts. And we kept waiting for the benevolent leadership to give us our due. It never came. Don't get me wrong, we still made a good living for the most part. But it wasn't really based on how much revenue you produce or on the company's profitability. And just how do you calculate the revenue generated for a Capt that shoots 2 approaches to m/a's, holds for another 30 minutes, then shoots one last approach on min fuel so he can get an MD11 full of freight into NRT?(aside from being crazy)
It's a great concept, it just doesn't work. I would dare say that if it did, Unions wouldn't have a place in our profession..
The problem with your statement is that it lacks any real truth or understanding of how corporations actually function. We used to have a "profit sharing" plan at purple, but it was manipulated so badly that it never really gave you anything for your efforts. And we kept waiting for the benevolent leadership to give us our due. It never came. Don't get me wrong, we still made a good living for the most part. But it wasn't really based on how much revenue you produce or on the company's profitability. And just how do you calculate the revenue generated for a Capt that shoots 2 approaches to m/a's, holds for another 30 minutes, then shoots one last approach on min fuel so he can get an MD11 full of freight into NRT?(aside from being crazy)
It's a great concept, it just doesn't work. I would dare say that if it did, Unions wouldn't have a place in our profession..
Do you know of any good sources to research how an airline corporation (any airline) operates and how a union (any union) operates?
Last edited by AlyE; 07-02-2006 at 05:26 PM.
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