zoooropa

Have any of the RAH guys read an SLI arbitration decision by Kasher or Eichen? I am not trying to be antagonistic here.

Anything can and probably will happen, but the last SLI that included anything close to DOH was UAL/Pan Am. Since then, the last 25+ years, every SLI that made it to an arbitrator has been some form of "category and class" integration.

From Eischen, "In constructing this list, we have inquired as to where the respective groups have been and we have made reasoned judgments as to where they were going. We have attempted, at all times, to recognize reasonable expectations of both parties while, in all instances,
rejecting proposals that, however facially logical, resulted in untenable windfalls."

This was from an SLI that used "pre-merger hourly rates, performance capacities and missions of the aircraft" to align the integration.

Dougdrvr

The timeline is starting to get a little fuzzy, but I beleive there were still 25 717s when RAH showed up. The MD80s were being parked, and the plan according to the training schedule, was to reduce the 717 number to 21.

hockeypilot44

First officers are allowed to switch airplanes. They just have to switch to a higher paying position. Since a 100-seater first officer pays $37/hour max while a 37-seat first officer pays $37/hour max, you can't switch. There are 155 out of 2000+ pilots that have been at Republic 10+ years. That's not very many lifers. If you work at Republic, you can't get screwed. A complete staple below Midwest and Frontier would still put you at a future mainline carrier while never having to even interview. That is assuming Republic is in business in a few years. If the company starts bleeding money, it goes extremely fast.

Mergers are done by career expectations. Career expectations are salary, work rules, and retirement. Your salary, work rules, and retirement are inferior in every way.

IMHO

Well its no secret that i'm not an arbitor. But after reading 27 pages of bickering, finger pointing, and name calling, I figured I might as well make this thread a little interesting. The inherent problem with this whole ordeal is that its virtually unprecedented. Sure we can point to other "mergers" of the past, but can we point to a "merger" where the acquiring carrier is a regional airline by industry standards, one of the acquired companies is in bankruptcy and in debt to in this case RAH, and the other "acquired" company was in financial ruin at the time of acquisition (regardless of how or why that came about) In a perfect world, YX pilots and F9 pilots would be merged by DOH, probably screwing the F9 pilots in the process but hey, YX pilots made more so they are entitled to more. But lets talk about precedent. When have you ever observed a "merger" or "acquisition" where the employees of the purchasing carrier got shafted. IF YX and F9 pilots wanted a complete staple, then one of those airlines should have purchased a bankrupt RAH. That didnt happen. Besides, I'm not saying that my little made up SLI example was the end all be all of fairness, it was merely a way to get the thread a bit more productive. So far I've only seen people talk about what isnt fair. So I ask what is fair? And dont say staple.

likeitis

The valujet pilots got the worse end of the stick in their purchase/merger of AirTran. So yes it has happened.

MD80

Rev BB brought RAH into Midwest to find a home for 12-E170 (and Midwest parks 12-MD80) returned by the Frontier bankruptcy. Midwest was still flying 25-B717.

BB wanted/needed a "Branded Airline" and his entry into Midwest was more then contract flying.


Duane Pfennigwerth – Raymond James
Can you just qualitatively talk about Midwest, how that operation is performing and if you're seeing payment terms that are acceptable to you from Midwest?

Bryan Bedford

Well, clearly, the payment terms are much less favorable than what we had with Frontier, which is one of the reasons that gave cause to a $215 million claim being filed against the estate of Frontier Airlines.
As far as Midwest performance, they do continue to perform. We're probably a little more intimate with their restructuring plans than what we might be with other partners. I can tell you they are having terrific success in the restructuring process and we believe Midwest is going to continue to be beyond the aviation landscape for years to come.

flyguy81

There's where you're wrong.

Per the CBA, "FO's shall be frozen in status and equipment type until eligible to upgrade to a captain position."

If you think the company will agree to let FO's move to another airplane, you're crazy. They'll fill the airbus or whatever with new hires to keep overhead low. This place sucks.

Dougdrvr

If you read between the lines, it's already looking bleak. The tone in BB's last few letters is telling. He's already whinning about the cost of fuel and the departure of key management people and low morale. By the time he realizes that these items that don't necessarily show on the balance sheet are critical, it may be too late.

Kdog18

IMHO,

AWA acquiring USA did not work out so well for the pilots, imho.

I would agree though, your post did inject some activity into this thread.

ToiletDuck

Think before you post. A complete staple below two pilot groups would affect everyone bumped down the list.