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01-15-2010, 07:29 AM
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01-15-2010, 07:52 AM
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Anyone else catch that Sean Menke has announced his resignation from RAH?
Sean Menke resigns from Frontier owner Republic - The Denver Post
Sean Menke resigns from Frontier owner Republic - The Denver Post
01-15-2010, 08:20 AM
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The only shocking thing about this bit of news to me was why it took so long to announce. Menke is likely a highly sought after executive who wrote his own future after guiding F9 through bankruptcy. Do you honestlty think he is going accept being demoted to "Assistant to the Executive Vice President of the Party Planning Commission" or whatever his silly title is now, or do you think he's going to take his resume into the market and attempt to land another CEO spot with better pay, benefits, QOL than RAH offered? What would you do if you were him?
01-15-2010, 08:24 AM
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In my opinion, Menke never intended to stay at RAH. He gives a definitive exit date, which would seem as though he needs to be somewhere else come May. I think Menke stayed on until he secured he next gig, which finally happened and he was able to announce his resignation. That, and I am sure Menke knew in advance that his job was moving to IND, and he had no intention of leaving DEN
01-15-2010, 09:00 AM
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01-15-2010, 09:26 AM
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Weren't Midwest's 717's leaving the property prior to the purchase by RAH? It is my understanding that Midwest pilots were offered 190 flying but turned it down because the pay rates were so crappy. So basically Midwest pilots had expectations of 1)flying 190's, or 2)fly nothing at all. You chose #2 and now here we are. I'm not trying to start an argument. I am mostly looking for clarification on how things went down for Midwest pilots. If this is the case, it seems like a hard sell to say that you should be integrated into anything bigger than a 190.
01-15-2010, 09:58 AM
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Weren't Midwest's 717's leaving the property prior to the purchase by RAH? It is my understanding that Midwest pilots were offered 190 flying but turned it down because the pay rates were so crappy. So basically Midwest pilots had expectations of 1)flying 190's, or 2)fly nothing at all. You chose #2 and now here we are. I'm not trying to start an argument. I am mostly looking for clarification on how things went down for Midwest pilots. If this is the case, it seems like a hard sell to say that you should be integrated into anything bigger than a 190.
At the time RAH announced the merger, there were 16 717s still on the property in addition to 8 (IIRC) MD-80s still owned by the company but placed in storage. For all I know they STILL own a few MD80s.
01-15-2010, 10:11 AM
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The Midwest pilots were very willing to negotiate the pay scales for an airplane that was not specified in our contract. The problem was the company refused to negotiate ANYTHING and demanded the RAH payscales. And if that wasn't bad enough, they wanted to eliminate ALL work rules.
again i reiterate my feelings, that YX mgmt had no intention of YX pilots flying an Embraer. they went into "negotiations" with RAH pay scales and contract in hand and were accepting nothing more since they knew if they didn't come to terms it would be RAH doing the flying anyway. kinda like the way the FAA negotiates with NATCA. knowing that at the end of the day the governments last best offer is what you get anyway there isnt a whole lot of incentive for mgmt to give anything.
01-15-2010, 10:31 AM
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Weren't Midwest's 717's leaving the property prior to the purchase by RAH? It is my understanding that Midwest pilots were offered 190 flying but turned it down because the pay rates were so crappy. So basically Midwest pilots had expectations of 1)flying 190's, or 2)fly nothing at all. You chose #2 and now here we are. I'm not trying to start an argument. I am mostly looking for clarification on how things went down for Midwest pilots. If this is the case, it seems like a hard sell to say that you should be integrated into anything bigger than a 190.
My understanding is TPG offered the Republic 51-76 seat wages to fly E170 and E190. We asked for Federal Meditation and negotiations slowed down.
In a membewrship meeting the Midwest MEC said, "We will negotiate a industry average wage to fly any aircraft Midwest plans to fly. It will be the your decision if you want to work here."
I believe TPG (and maybe BB?) were trying to get labor costs for the E170 and E190 to be below that of Republic Airways.
---Triangle Business Journal
Bedford added that under new ownership, discussions regarding the renegotiation of collective bargaining agreements would continue with labor organizations representing Midwest pilots, currently in mediation, and Midwest flight attendants. Ultimately, details of the integration process for represented employees will be determined by their respective unions.
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