Rightseat Ballast

Let me clarify that... All of us hold what I call "temporary" positions until the seniority integration is complete. At that point, the outcome of the integration will dictate what we hold. F9 pilots may lose seats through re-bid, seniority, or lose nothing at all. I may lose my seat, base...all of it. A midwest pilot may end up in the Airbus, a Frontier pilot in my seat, and I could end up on the 145 or Q400. Who knows. But so long as the question of seniority isn't answered or answerable, I consider all assignments and status to be temporary. Call it semantics. As of now, there are not guarantees. I don't expect to get some Airbus seat, but it is possible that an arbitrator could give Midwest pilots a seniority that would give them access to the Airbus, hence a recently recalled Frontier pilot may only have a temporary stint in the Airbus.

YXnot

Year head start? What does that mean? So how many of the 56 F9 furloughs will be "taken care of". I expect that after those who bypass are taken out, a majority of the remaining will be done with requal, bid into whatever they can hold(MKE), and flying Midwest flights. The end of the integration will surely be, at the earliest, the end of May. If not later. The MEH folks who want to come back will depend solely on a windfall decision in order to have something that they feel will be worthwhile. I will not be holding my breath.

I never said we were being singled out by anyone I just would like for you to back up your statements since you appear to have some more knowledge about these specific topics.

I agree with you though that the integration results may result in a huge shuffle and thats only if MEH "active" are awarded something. If by some miracle the remaining 250+ Meh pilots are included in a meaningful way the shuffle becomes a cluster and poor constipated avitar will be paying for training for years!

ToiletDuck

There's a podcast of BB on video saying that the midwest pilots may never need to even be integrated. Don't you also remember saying how BB wasn't going to allow F9 to be integrated? You only believe him when it supports something you're saying.

MD80

I don't remember saying that about F9 integration. If I quoted him it was because it was news information to share on this webboard.

In your opinion, why didn't Midwest and Republic integrate their seniority lists within 2-3 months after the June 2009 announcement?

Would like to see that video.

Dirty Rat

It's easy MD-80. All you have to do is read this thread where Carlomonte said:

Remember, it was never your flying, never.
P.S. I added the punctuation.


Oh yeah? I wish someone would have told me that and I would not have spent TWENTY YEARS flying trips that were never mine.

YXnot

Made up my mind about what??

I've explained time and again who I feel is to blame in this and its not the pilots at RAH.

I lose respect for you and you lose credibility when you add a personal attack at the end of your post. Why do it?

You cannot even begin to understand how it feels/felt to go through what we have been through on a professional level and I sincerely hope that you never have to!

Best of luck to you.

ToiletDuck

My opinion, because integration is going to take longer than 2-3months as it already has. The Frontier deadline for the purchase, OCT 1st, would have been during that time of integration. What should be done with the F9 and Lynx pilots then? Should they wait months or longer to start their integration? All affected parties needed to be present because where a Midwest/RAH pilot ends up on the list could alter the position a Frontier pilot may have held. I'm sure if you guys said "Hey we'll take a staple to the bottom" then things could have moved right along since others wouldn't be affected but apparently seniority means something and is worth negotiating for. The point of integration of list which is required by the RAH contract is to keep from whipsawing. If for some reason a Midwest/RAH integration was drug out for an extended period of time BB could have then leveraged Frontier and Lynx against us since they would be operating separately.

Hypothetical question: Had RAH/Midwest entered into negotiations andduring that time period BB decided to double the size of Frontier. Would you be happy that you're in integration talks with RAH meanwhile Frontier is hiring and upgrading without any RAH/Midwest pilots? What if during drawn out negotiations BB decided to cut the CHQ certificate completely and grow the Lynx certificate with a large amount of RJs that are now at low payscales and worse work rules while at the same time hiring pilots off the street the same time we're furloughing? Sound far fetched? Take a look at a what happened with Trans states and GoJets, Mesa/Freedom, Mainline/Regionals. How many aircraft at the regional level were once flown by mainline guys? In a way regionals are used to leverage mainline pay as well. One seniority list amongst all parties is the ONLY way to make things better.

There's a reason for things to take the course they have. I'm not saying I know what they are but you asked my opinion. I think it's in everyone's best interest that things have taken the course they have. Maybe the Midwest MEC can offer you some insight as to why they thought it better to do things this way. They agreed to it as well. This is all speculative and just my opinion.

ToiletDuck

Agree 100% which is why it's in all our best interest to work towards being successful instead of destructive. You're always just one contract away..... A group with strong scope language and 100% of it's flying on one seniority list is hard to argue with.

Flex81

How would this work with the "no bump no flush" policy?

RAH has a say in how these integrations go too... they are not going to allow a whole system re-bid because it would cost them the farm in training costs.

Very few Frontier pilots have and will be recalled because of the 3 new aircraft coming. Most of these vacancies were filled with VLOA's.

Flex81

I would also like to remind the YX pilots that Frontier has not benefited from this either so don't get all a*s chapped because a few of our furloughs are getting recalled. We may be flying some of your old routes, but Republic is flying an equal amount of our old routes. Republic pilots are the only group that has benefited from this mess thus far. I, however, do not blame their pilots because we are all pawns in management's diabolical chess game.