TillerEnvy

We tried long before you became a furloughee...with our own furloughees. It's been the same for own dating back to who knows how long and mgmt certainly isn't going to change it now whether I disagree with it or not.

ToiletDuck

Good luck with that. You aren't in court making an argument you're talking to people you have to work with that can see things for what they are. When you do those things to purposefully hurt their job security it's definitely going to create bad vibes. You can hide behind whatever legal jargon you want but "it is what it is".

Wiscopilot

Who said anything about 200 hour F/Os? We don't have any.
Straight from Greg Uselmann's mouth..........

Midwest Employees Hold Rally
Michael George
Katie DeLong

MILWAUKEE - Midwest Airlines employees rallied Thursday to draw attention to the cutbacks at the airline.

The latest deal to bring in planes, pilots and flight attendants from Brazilian-based Republic Airlines is the last straw for some workers. They are rallying to stop Midwest Airlines' new partnership.

The battle between Midwest management and its workers is escalating. Pilots, flight attendants and their families marched to the airport Thursday to protest the loss of more than 1,500 jobs and the outsourcing of hundreds more.

"Now we learn that the airline that you worked so hard to build is outsourcing our jobs to a substandard replacement and calling it the best care in the air,” Greg Uselmann from the Airline Pilots Association said.

Midwest Airlines is struggling with higher fuel costs and fewer passengers. They say the deal to bring in planes and workers from another airline will help Midwest avoid bankruptcy.

"No one is saying anyone relishes the fact that there'll be some employees who will be temporarily laid off for 8 to 12 months, but for the longer term future for the airline, this was our best option,” Midwest Spokesman Michael Brophy said.

The Pilots’ Union questions whether the outsourcing really is temporary.

"Optimistically, I hope that's true, but what they've told us privately is they'll only restore the jobs if we agree to their draconian pay cuts,” Uselmann said.

The deal is already going forward. Midwest says it’s thanks to the cuts that bankruptcy is off the table for now.

"We believe that this provides an opportunity for us to really stay a viable airline, to keep operating,” Brophy said.

Dirty Rat

"Substandard Replacements". What part of that do you not understand? When your job is farmed out to someone making less than half of what you were doing it for, it is a "Substandard Replacement". If RAH hired a bunch of illegals to handle your ground ops for $4.00 an hour and got rid of your regular people, who by the way were replacement workers themselves, it would be "Substandard". You were a "Substandard Replacement" of my job. No where did he say anything about the experience level. Any more facts to make up?

WeaselBoy

Your job is also being farmed out to Frontier, who makes more than you do; ergo, you are substandard to them.

Aloha

Man...... I hate to see F9 get caught up in the "battle of the RJs"..... this is a rough topic. After the debate on some other threads, it seems to me that F9 would have been better off with taking the SWA offer. Only time will tell. Good luck to all on the SLI, and all the complexities in the near future.
Here's to keeping all of you off the streets,
Aloha

PSACFI

It might be a little harder to fire them than you think.

A lot of regional pilots go above and beyond what the contract says to get the flight done on time and help the company out. This is done because everyone is trying to be professional.

Now if everyone just flew the contract things wouldn't get done as efficiently. Also how can the company fire the captain for running the APU? Is there something in your contract that specifies how long an APU may or may not be run? Is there an official binding agreement? I've seen suggestions from the companies to help with fuel savings but I've never seen anything suggesting that it has to be done or else you'll be fired. The company couldn't get away with that because it violates the captain's PIC authority.

We've all seen examples of what happens when a pilot group "flies the contract," the most recent one I can think of is the ASA safety campaign. Everyone just decided to stop going above and beyond the call of duty and did exactly what their job titles told them to. ASA's numbers went into the toilet and they were able to get a new contract and I don't recall anyone getting fired.

The same thing could happen here. I just don't see how YX pilots not calling dispatch on a cell phone, not practicing fuel conservation, or writing up things that wouldn't normally be written up (all in the name of safety) would get them fired.

Let's face it, the press hasn't been too kind to what Bedford has done and we all know how bad they are at reporting. If they get wind that YX pilots are being fired because they wrote up too many "safety" related items then they'll have a field day. "RAH cuts corners and forces pilots to fly broken airplanes," is not a title Bedford wants to see in MKE papers.


I hope all YX/F9/RAH/Lynx pilots can move on and get along and work together for a better contract. I'd save the "safety campaign" for the contract negotiations so that Bedford doesn't jerk you around. We know he'll still want FOs flying the E-190 at $23-37 an hour and that just isn't acceptable. You all need to work together though to get better things. Bedford wants to see the current infighting because it keeps the pilot group divided and keeps their focus off the more important goal of a better contract.

Killer51883

to bad there are strict limitations on the apu and the altitudes it can be used. leaving it on most of the flight would exceed those limitations and you can bet your a$$ once anything is exceeded or any fault occurs the company knows about it. The 170/190 is a big computer that logs everything that happens. Plus this isnt a big "family" company. This is a managment group that will hunt you down and do all they can to fire you. You wont last against them.

Joachim

Yep, RAH definitely has ruthless corporate culture. The only time you will hear words such as family, please, and thank you is when management wants you to do something they can't force.

MD80

This talk of purposely and for no good reason running the APU is stupid. The Midwest pilots I know would not do that type of thing.

On the other hand, I have refused to use my personal cell phone minutes after the Midwest removed phones from the cockpit.

If a company isn't employee friendly, I will not be company friendly. Same goes for unions.