Republic Seniority
01-10-2010, 10:13 AM
#131
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Hey!!! A YX/RP thread that made it to 11 pages without getting closed...you guys must be wearing down a little...
I'm a midwest guy, by the way, but I don't see much use in arguing with a bunch of kids that see us as a roadblock in their (sure to be) illustrious careers. They didn't want Bedford to buy us....we were about to go out of business anyway...why do we deserve to be employed right now??
I still desperately need a job, however, I constantly hope for Republics demise even if it means me not ever getting a flying job again. If I still am unemployed when the sli finally goes through, I will take a position at republic, and then proceed to squander every company resourse that I can get my hands on. I guess I'll be that guy that runs the APU the whole flight and looks for any reason to delay a flight just out of spite. (Oh...I know, I know, I'll only be a lowely F/O)
I guess I'm not that much of a professional after all. So be it. I consider Republic's (and a whole bunch of other companies) demise a benefit to everyone.
(Disclosure...4 beers and a bottle of wine)
I'm a midwest guy, by the way, but I don't see much use in arguing with a bunch of kids that see us as a roadblock in their (sure to be) illustrious careers. They didn't want Bedford to buy us....we were about to go out of business anyway...why do we deserve to be employed right now??
I still desperately need a job, however, I constantly hope for Republics demise even if it means me not ever getting a flying job again. If I still am unemployed when the sli finally goes through, I will take a position at republic, and then proceed to squander every company resourse that I can get my hands on. I guess I'll be that guy that runs the APU the whole flight and looks for any reason to delay a flight just out of spite. (Oh...I know, I know, I'll only be a lowely F/O)
I guess I'm not that much of a professional after all. So be it. I consider Republic's (and a whole bunch of other companies) demise a benefit to everyone.
(Disclosure...4 beers and a bottle of wine)
You have been doing this gig too long to think you can get away with it. You would be weeded out in a matter of months. It would be different if your coworkers were on the same page as you, but they are not. Hopefully you will get a decent slot that will allow you to pay your bills and (spartanly) support your family. When the dust settles the outcome may not be as bad as you predicted. If you have another skill set or education, now might be the time to use it.
As for the comment on us being kids, most are not. We have families to support and when it comes to loyalty who do you think it lies with? You? I would not hurt you intentionally, but i will not lay down and die for you either. If you do come on line with Republic, or whatever this matrix of airlines is called, I hope you put your efforts towards a better contract that will benefit you.
I wish you good luck.
A CHQ pilot.
Last edited by Joachim; 01-10-2010 at 10:28 AM.
01-10-2010, 10:50 AM
#132
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Hey!!! A YX/RP thread that made it to 11 pages without getting closed...you guys must be wearing down a little...
I'm a midwest guy, by the way, but I don't see much use in arguing with a bunch of kids that see us as a roadblock in their (sure to be) illustrious careers. They didn't want Bedford to buy us....we were about to go out of business anyway...why do we deserve to be employed right now??
I still desperately need a job, however, I constantly hope for Republics demise even if it means me not ever getting a flying job again. If I still am unemployed when the sli finally goes through, I will take a position at republic, and then proceed to squander every company resourse that I can get my hands on. I guess I'll be that guy that runs the APU the whole flight and looks for any reason to delay a flight just out of spite. (Oh...I know, I know, I'll only be a lowely F/O)
I guess I'm not that much of a professional after all. So be it. I consider Republic's (and a whole bunch of other companies) demise a benefit to everyone.
(Disclosure...4 beers and a bottle of wine)
I'm a midwest guy, by the way, but I don't see much use in arguing with a bunch of kids that see us as a roadblock in their (sure to be) illustrious careers. They didn't want Bedford to buy us....we were about to go out of business anyway...why do we deserve to be employed right now??
I still desperately need a job, however, I constantly hope for Republics demise even if it means me not ever getting a flying job again. If I still am unemployed when the sli finally goes through, I will take a position at republic, and then proceed to squander every company resourse that I can get my hands on. I guess I'll be that guy that runs the APU the whole flight and looks for any reason to delay a flight just out of spite. (Oh...I know, I know, I'll only be a lowely F/O)
I guess I'm not that much of a professional after all. So be it. I consider Republic's (and a whole bunch of other companies) demise a benefit to everyone.
(Disclosure...4 beers and a bottle of wine)
01-10-2010, 12:30 PM
#133
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Nah, you won't.
You have been doing this gig too long to think you can get away with it. You would be weeded out in a matter of months. It would be different if your coworkers were on the same page as you, but they are not. Hopefully you will get a decent slot that will allow you to pay your bills and (spartanly) support your family. When the dust settles the outcome may not be as bad as you predicted. If you have another skill set or education, now might be the time to use it.
As for the comment on us being kids, most are not. We have families to support and when it comes to loyalty who do you think it lies with? You? I would not hurt you intentionally, but i will not lay down and die for you either. If you do come on line with Republic, or whatever this matrix of airlines is called, I hope you put your efforts towards a better contract that will benefit you.
I wish you good luck.
A CHQ pilot.
You have been doing this gig too long to think you can get away with it. You would be weeded out in a matter of months. It would be different if your coworkers were on the same page as you, but they are not. Hopefully you will get a decent slot that will allow you to pay your bills and (spartanly) support your family. When the dust settles the outcome may not be as bad as you predicted. If you have another skill set or education, now might be the time to use it.
As for the comment on us being kids, most are not. We have families to support and when it comes to loyalty who do you think it lies with? You? I would not hurt you intentionally, but i will not lay down and die for you either. If you do come on line with Republic, or whatever this matrix of airlines is called, I hope you put your efforts towards a better contract that will benefit you.
I wish you good luck.
A CHQ pilot.
01-10-2010, 12:59 PM
#134
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3X is correct in pointing out how critical time is/was in the integration. He pointed out earlier, and I am not sure many others understood how significant it is, that the longer the integration drags on, the less likely for a Midwest pilot getting any of the flying. To my knowlege all the E-190's will be online by the end of May..ergo, they will already have trained crews. The upshot of that is that even if awarded a high senority number from the integration process, there will still be no job due to no additional flying. It is considered unlikely that any arbitrater will flush a currently flying pilot (nor should he). 3X , you have mentioned this a couple times and it goes to the heart of the sense of urgency felt by many.
As an aside, I will add my repetitive position on it...due to the way the integration is looking to take place(from a time standpoint), we had best hope for great success from the new branded operation(or at least some more contract flying) for any of us to have enough expansion to fly for RAH.
As an aside, I will add my repetitive position on it...due to the way the integration is looking to take place(from a time standpoint), we had best hope for great success from the new branded operation(or at least some more contract flying) for any of us to have enough expansion to fly for RAH.
That is the Republic EXCOs goal and it stinks!
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01-10-2010, 01:18 PM
#135
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He is emotional yes but how is he a danger to the flying public? What he said about squandering resources is no different than the tactics used during a "safety campaign."
The only thing he is a danger to is Bedford's bottom line.
Now I'm not saying his emotions towards RAH pilots are justified because I'm not sure what they could have done to prevent Bedford's actions. I would like to believe that if they could have gone on strike in support of the YX pilots they would have done so, but that is the fault of the RLA.
The only thing he is a danger to is Bedford's bottom line.
Now I'm not saying his emotions towards RAH pilots are justified because I'm not sure what they could have done to prevent Bedford's actions. I would like to believe that if they could have gone on strike in support of the YX pilots they would have done so, but that is the fault of the RLA.
Come on, the Republic EXCO could have tried to support the Mdwest pilots but he didn't want too. He could have supported "Fair and Equitable" actions but he didn't want too.
Don't ask we to support Republic Airways after they have not even tried to support the Midwest pilots or Flight attendants.
I expected the Republic EXCO to...
1. Write a letter of support for the Midwests pilots to Bedford and my MEC.
2. Write a LOA supporting the Midwest pilots for temporary bidding, a fast integration and recall rights before any furloughed pilots.
I never expected you guy to strike, but I did expect something more then "it's my flying now".
01-10-2010, 01:25 PM
#136
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01-10-2010, 02:53 PM
#137
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Come on, the Republic EXCO could have tried to support the Mdwest pilots but he didn't want too. He could have supported "Fair and Equitable" actions but he didn't want too.
Don't ask we to support Republic Airways after they have not even tried to support the Midwest pilots or Flight attendants.
I expected the Republic EXCO to...
1. Write a letter of support for the Midwests pilots to Bedford and my MEC.
2. Write a LOA supporting the Midwest pilots for temporary bidding, a fast integration and recall rights before any furloughed pilots.
I never expected you guy to strike, but I did expect something more then "it's my flying now".
Don't ask we to support Republic Airways after they have not even tried to support the Midwest pilots or Flight attendants.
I expected the Republic EXCO to...
1. Write a letter of support for the Midwests pilots to Bedford and my MEC.
2. Write a LOA supporting the Midwest pilots for temporary bidding, a fast integration and recall rights before any furloughed pilots.
I never expected you guy to strike, but I did expect something more then "it's my flying now".
Perhaps they should have written a letter of support or even offered a LOA but I feel it would have been a symbolic gesture at best. Even if the letter had been written and a grievance filed on behalf of your group by the Republic union you'd probably still be in the same situation today because of how slow the process is. The union would probably lose the grievance anyways.
Bedford would simply say to an arbitrator, "The integration is ongoing and will be complete in a few months."
It would have been nice for a LOA to be agreed on between the RAH union and Bedford so that the Midwest crews were given rights to the E-190 but in reality Bedford wouldn't agree to it because he doesn't want to spend the money to train you guys. After integration he might have to spend more money to train other people to as the seniority list got shuffled around. Type ratings cost a lot of money and let's face it, Bedford is a cheap weasel.
Moving forward you guys need to work with RAH and F9 to get a good joint contract. You should concentrate your efforts on Bedford who is the true cause of your suffering.
I'm all for making Bedford pay if he jerks you guys around. Do a "safety campaign" and get the fair contract you all deserve.
01-10-2010, 03:28 PM
#138
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First of all, I don't fly for RAH and have no planes of ever doing so. I'm currently a CFI.
Perhaps they should have written a letter of support or even offered a LOA but I feel it would have been a symbolic gesture at best. Even if the letter had been written and a grievance filed on behalf of your group by the Republic union you'd probably still be in the same situation today because of how slow the process is. The union would probably lose the grievance anyways.
Bedford would simply say to an arbitrator, "The integration is ongoing and will be complete in a few months."
It would have been nice for a LOA to be agreed on between the RAH union and Bedford so that the Midwest crews were given rights to the E-190 but in reality Bedford wouldn't agree to it because he doesn't want to spend the money to train you guys. After integration he might have to spend more money to train other people to as the seniority list got shuffled around. Type ratings cost a lot of money and let's face it, Bedford is a cheap weasel.
Moving forward you guys need to work with RAH and F9 to get a good joint contract. You should concentrate your efforts on Bedford who is the true cause of your suffering.
I'm all for making Bedford pay if he jerks you guys around. Do a "safety campaign" and get the fair contract you all deserve.
Perhaps they should have written a letter of support or even offered a LOA but I feel it would have been a symbolic gesture at best. Even if the letter had been written and a grievance filed on behalf of your group by the Republic union you'd probably still be in the same situation today because of how slow the process is. The union would probably lose the grievance anyways.
Bedford would simply say to an arbitrator, "The integration is ongoing and will be complete in a few months."
It would have been nice for a LOA to be agreed on between the RAH union and Bedford so that the Midwest crews were given rights to the E-190 but in reality Bedford wouldn't agree to it because he doesn't want to spend the money to train you guys. After integration he might have to spend more money to train other people to as the seniority list got shuffled around. Type ratings cost a lot of money and let's face it, Bedford is a cheap weasel.
Moving forward you guys need to work with RAH and F9 to get a good joint contract. You should concentrate your efforts on Bedford who is the true cause of your suffering.
I'm all for making Bedford pay if he jerks you guys around. Do a "safety campaign" and get the fair contract you all deserve.
I understand Bedford will do all he can to keep costs low. I have a problem with him because he is not employee friendly. He wants his 2 million per year and then reduces CSR/Ramp pay to well below the industry average.
The Republic EXCO is a different story. He needed to show a symbolic gesture as a labor leader. Unions need to support other Unions, period.
Republic, from the CEO to the Union, seems to be very unfriendly, unethnical and greedy place.
01-10-2010, 03:58 PM
#139
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I understand Bedford will do all he can to keep costs low. I have a problem with him because he is not employee friendly. He wants his 2 million per year and then reduces CSR/Ramp pay to well below the industry average.
The Republic EXCO is a different story. He needed to show a symbolic gesture as a labor leader. Unions need to support other Unions, period.
Republic, from the CEO to the Union, seems to be very unfriendly, unethnical and greedy place.
The Republic EXCO is a different story. He needed to show a symbolic gesture as a labor leader. Unions need to support other Unions, period.
Republic, from the CEO to the Union, seems to be very unfriendly, unethnical and greedy place.
01-10-2010, 04:01 PM
#140
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Wasn't the Craigs list killer was caught that way..................
"Yes, let's get him arrested!!! After all, it's the internet - and the internet is serious business!!!"
"Yes, let's get him arrested!!! After all, it's the internet - and the internet is serious business!!!"
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