hockeypilot44

Disregard. I'm not involved so I will keep my opinion to myself.

CHQ Pilot

The key word there is options (BB is calling them "commitments"). Playing devil's adovcate, the CHQ CBA which covers the pilots of CHQ, Republic, and S5 is also binding upon RAH which happens to own Frontier, Lynx, and essentially the Midwest name. Whatever RAH chooses to do with regards to their other carriers (even though the employee groups have not been integrated) has to fall within the bounds of the CBA. If you read the section, it says any aircraft acquired after the public announcement will be flown by the pilots on the Chautauqua Pilots System Seniority list. So, RAH could approach the EXCO and say they need to place pilots from the CHQ Master List into those airframes to be compliant since the pilot groups have not been integrated.

The contract was written during a time when no one would have thought that CHQ would purchase a carrier that had narrow body or larger aircraft. If RAH purchased another regional (which was the main concern at the time), they could place new aircraft at the acquired airline creating a whipsaw of seniority integration. I would not put it past BB to try and create this type of situation. Frontier is owned by RAH now and cannot be considered a seperate airline with respect to the CBA and CHQ Master List pilots. I fully agree that the Frontier pilots should be in those seats since RAH would not have had access to those airframes without the purchase, but it is something to watch out for since RAH may interprut the section otherwise.

flyguy23

If new aircraft are acquired before the SLI, then you are correct. That situation could very well play out. Very unlikely to happen before may though, when we should be have one list (hopefully). In regards to the new airbus coming online, I misspoke when I said the options were purchased. Those aircraft had already been ordered before the acquisition. They cannot be flown by anyone other than F9. Any additional aircraft would create an interesting situation. I for one hope the SLI is complete before any such aircraft come online, and seniority takes control.

3XLoser

This wasn't addressed to me, but as a locked-out Midwest pilot, I can answer. We were in a hurry, because with every month that passed, more of us were losing our jobs. Our paychecks were running out. We have families to feed. I don't want to just wait around and see what airline the Reverend wants to buy next.

I think you're confusing the arbitration. That was to defend our sub-contracting language. I couldn't believe that we actually lost (a warning to anyone who thinks they're protected by contract language), but after BB showed his next card, our MEC thought they could show the arbitrator that he was lied to before. He wouldn't hear it, but he did make a motion to consider a chunk of as active (for integration purposes), even though we weren't getting paid any more.

Hoeksema and Bedford fell into bed together in June 2008. This is taking a while.

b82rez

Hey!!! A YX/RP thread that made it to 11 pages without getting closed...you guys must be wearing down a little...

I'm a midwest guy, by the way, but I don't see much use in arguing with a bunch of kids that see us as a roadblock in their (sure to be) illustrious careers. They didn't want Bedford to buy us....we were about to go out of business anyway...why do we deserve to be employed right now??

I still desperately need a job, however, I constantly hope for Republics demise even if it means me not ever getting a flying job again. If I still am unemployed when the sli finally goes through, I will take a position at republic, and then proceed to squander every company resourse that I can get my hands on. I guess I'll be that guy that runs the APU the whole flight and looks for any reason to delay a flight just out of spite. (Oh...I know, I know, I'll only be a lowely F/O)

I guess I'm not that much of a professional after all. So be it. I consider Republic's (and a whole bunch of other companies) demise a benefit to everyone.

(Disclosure...4 beers and a bottle of wine)

Great Santini

[quote=CHQ Pilot;741263]"). Playing devil's adovcate, the CHQ CBA which covers the pilots of CHQ, Republic, and S5 is also binding upon RAH which happens to own Frontier, Lynx, and essentially the Midwest name. Whatever RAH chooses to do with regards to their other carriers (even though the employee groups have not been integrated) has to fall within the bounds of the CBA. quote]

You may not know that Frontier also has a CBA in place that forbids the things you alledge may happen. That CBA was agreed to and signed by Bedford as a condition to the purchase of F9. All Airbus aircraft must and only can be put on the F9 Certificate, as is the case with all other mainline aircraft up to 255,000 pounds, or something like that.

ToiletDuck

*deleted until I can find it* Also I think Frontier has already announced recalls and put out bids for upgrades for the incoming buses didn't they?

CHQ Pilot

I cannot find any language that says "all affected parties must be present". Honest question if you could point me to it.

I didn't know that there had been a vacancy bid for any Airbus deliveries.

ToiletDuck

I've been trying to search for Allegheny-Mohawk and I'm having issues myself. I saw the language copied and pasted in a past time with that part bolded. I'll do my best to find it. I'm fuzzy on the details but isn't it what the judge eluded to when it went to arbitration? Now that I'm having problems finding it I think I'll retract it until I come across it.

hockeypilot44

I do not blame you. I would probably do the same thing if I was in your shoes.