ToiletDuck

Well h didn't want integration but it's happening anyway

CHQ Pilot

Maybe I haven't followed too closely, but why hasn't McCaskill-Bond with the requirment to abide by A-M been enforced? The way I understand the process is that after 20 days without a resolution, then binding arbitration can be asked for. It would then be an expedited hearing within 90 days to have an outcome. The only way the timeline could be altered is if both representation groups agree to extend. Did the did the RAH EXCO and the Midwest MEC agree to extend the time frame?

One area of the RAH pilot's contract which may be exploited by management is 1.H.5e. I don't know if the section has been amended by any SLs, but talking it over with a few different people, if you read the section it appears any new Airbus or other aicraft could be flown by pilots on the CHQ master seniority list before an integration has taken place.

During the period of separate operations pilots on the
Chautauqua Pilots System Seniority List prior to the merger,
purchase, or acquisition shall operate all aircraft on hand at
the Company, all aircraft on firm order to the Company and
all aircraft acquired by the Company other than as a result of
the transaction after public announcement of the acquisition in accordance with this Agreement, provided however that
nothing herein shall be construed to prevent fleet reductions
which are attributable to economic or other reasons and
conditions not related to the transaction, or the retirement of
existing aircraft in the normal course of business.

Management could say the new Airbus were not part of the transaction with Frontier because they were not on property at the time of the purchase. It could be a somewhat grey area of the contract because although one could assume the aircraft came with the Frontier purchase, BB and his posturing that the Airbus orders in his own words "[sic] they were just commitments, not obligations, and that Republic has the right to walk away from that contract with no cash damages." If BB negotiated with Airbus, he could say they are RAH aircraft not part of the Frontier transaction and therefore could be flown by pilots on the CHQ master list pre-acquisition.

BB and crew are smart and if they could find a way to make it work, I'm sure they could. Just something to think about...

FLEX

You haven't been overly sucessful controlling BB's actions with your Teamsters contract thusfar. Do you really think there is not a way BB would get around this issue?

MD80

This is a very good question.

We have been told by the Midwest MEC that all legal actions are being take for a fast integration. They even brought up the same McCaskill-Bond language in a meetings about the Midwest/Republic merger. No one has said why the current process is taking 10+ months.

Why the time line is longer than the McCaskill-Bond language is a mystery to the pilots at Midwest. No information is coming out from ALPA.

pilot124

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Originally Posted by MD80

The Midwest MEC filed for arbitration like 30 days after the Republic/Midwest deal closed because the Republic EXCO would not schedule meetings.

Was this a way to try and integrate YX and RAH before F9 was a done deal? Were you trying to get a jump on things for the benefit of ONLY YX pilots? Explain RAT or MD80 what exactly did the arbitrator say to you guys, besides telling you that YX has NO case for any integration because you had no planes. Please explain.

Kaptain

"Dump the front office--and what did RAH do?" Every week I see announcements of vp's and senior management receiving positions in the RAH front office. " Hurt other employee groups--and what is RAH doing?" Hundreds of positions that would have been duplicates at SWA are being kept... ie mechanics were to have to re-interview for 25jobs, marketing - sales, reservations, station presonnel. You Mr BWI and your SWA are not God. You seem to think we should have bowed to you. I feel good about protecting my fellow employees and I don't mean the pilots group but the ramp worker that lives next door and the mechanic with 5 kids on the corner. You don't even know me and I suggest you know the facts before you say.... I am out of my mind.

CHQ Pilot

All I can say is huh??? There is nothing in A-M that says you have to wait until all acquisitions are complete before beginning an integration; otherwise an integration would never hapen if RAH keeps going out and buying carriers. I haven't seen anything that the case has gone to arbitration, so how could an arbitrator say anything? Maybe it has, but I thought others on here would have brought that point up. No case for integration because there are no aircraft? It doesn't seem that you have to aircraft, just an air carrier certificate.

The language reads...

SEC. 817. LABOR INTEGRATION.

(a) Labor Integration - With respect to any covered transaction involving a covered air carrier that results in the combination of crafts or classes that are subject to the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 151 et seq.), sections 3 and 13 of the labor protective provisions imposed by the Civil Aeronautics Board in the Allegheny-Mohawk merger (as published at 59 C.A.B. 45) shall apply to the integration of covered employees of the covered air carrier


(c) Definitions- In this section, the following definitions apply:

(1) AIR CARRIER- The term `air carrier' means an air carrier that holds a certificate issued under chapter 411 of title 49, United States Code.

(2) COVERED AIR CARRIER- The term `covered air carrier' means an air carrier that is involved in a covered transaction.

(3) COVERED EMPLOYEE- The term `covered employee' means an employee who--

(A) is not a temporary employee; and

(B) is a member of a craft or class that is subject to the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 151 et seq.).

(4) COVERED TRANSACTION- The term `covered transaction' means--

(A) a transaction for the combination of multiple air carriers into a single air carrier; and which

(B) involves the transfer of ownership or control of--

(i) 50 percent or more of the equity securities (as defined in section 101 of title 11, United States Code) of an air carrier; or

(ii) 50 percent or more (by value) of the assets of the air carrier.

CHQ Pilot

Would you say this article paints an accurate picture of how RAH has been to the Frontier empoyees since the acquisition?

Frontier Airlines workers critical of new cross-company pay-standardization scale - The Denver Post

flyguy23

The options for those aircraft were bought before the acquisition. Those are Frontier airplanes, period.

Kaptain

Perhaps not but the fact that management is looking at this issue and the pay scale is a positive sign.