FAA Watching American .....
01-03-2010, 04:48 PM
#11
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Rather impressive, though, that overall the other 99.99% of operations are without hazard.
01-03-2010, 04:53 PM
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They could just as easily been have been accidents with a substantial body count.
01-03-2010, 04:57 PM
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01-03-2010, 06:11 PM
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Without getting into a lot of detail, I will just say this - AA needs a complete housecleaning in management and the training department.
Out-of-control cost cutting by management, and an "old school/we know best" training department, and antiquated and ever changing SOP have gotten us where we are today.
The question the AA pilots are asking are the same as what everyone has already been asking on this thread. What is the FAA really going to do about it?
Sadly, management has done a masterful job deflecting blame and obfuscating. "Oh, those whiny pilots. Pay no attention to them. They are just bucking for a pay raise. This is all just union bluster. Nothing to see here....move along....."
Is the FAA going to continue to "monitor the situation", or are they actually going to demand the people responsible for this get FIRED and our training program revamped from top to bottom?
We are wondering how bad it has to get before something happens.
Out-of-control cost cutting by management, and an "old school/we know best" training department, and antiquated and ever changing SOP have gotten us where we are today.
The question the AA pilots are asking are the same as what everyone has already been asking on this thread. What is the FAA really going to do about it?
Sadly, management has done a masterful job deflecting blame and obfuscating. "Oh, those whiny pilots. Pay no attention to them. They are just bucking for a pay raise. This is all just union bluster. Nothing to see here....move along....."
Is the FAA going to continue to "monitor the situation", or are they actually going to demand the people responsible for this get FIRED and our training program revamped from top to bottom?
We are wondering how bad it has to get before something happens.
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01-03-2010, 07:39 PM
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The FAA should be watching itself.
It appears from early reports that these crews (at least in CLT and MBJ) were in excess of 12-14 hours on duty and attempting landings in challenging weather conditions. If you're fatigued and you're thrown into a tough situation, sometimes things aren't going to go well... hasn't it been determined that being on duty 12-14 hours or some number in that range puts your decision making and reaction abilities at those of someone who is legally intoxicated. Even though those duty times are normal to us airline pilots, it doesn't make them safe.
But, instead like always, the crews involved will just be disciplined and nothing will get done to actually fix the problem...
It appears from early reports that these crews (at least in CLT and MBJ) were in excess of 12-14 hours on duty and attempting landings in challenging weather conditions. If you're fatigued and you're thrown into a tough situation, sometimes things aren't going to go well... hasn't it been determined that being on duty 12-14 hours or some number in that range puts your decision making and reaction abilities at those of someone who is legally intoxicated. Even though those duty times are normal to us airline pilots, it doesn't make them safe.
But, instead like always, the crews involved will just be disciplined and nothing will get done to actually fix the problem...
01-03-2010, 08:12 PM
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According to a 2000 study published in the British Medical Journal, researchers in Australia and New Zealand reported that sleep deprivation can have some of the same hazardous effects as being drunk.[27] People who drove after being awake for 17–19 hours performed worse than those with a blood alcohol level of .05 percent, which is the legal limit for drunk driving in most western European countries. Another study suggested that performance begins to degrade after 16 hours awake, and 21 hours awake was equivalent to a blood alcohol content of .08 percent, which is the blood alcohol limit for drunk driving in Canada, the U.S., and the U.K.[28]
- ^ Williamson AM, Feyer AM (October 2000). "Moderate sleep deprivation produces impairments in cognitive and motor performance equivalent to legally prescribed levels of alcohol intoxication". Occup Environ Med 57 (10): 649–55. doi:10.1136/oem.57.10.649. PMID 10984335. PMC 1739867. Sign In.
- ^ Dawson, Drew and Kathryn Reid (1997). "Fatigue, alcohol and performance impairment". Nature 388 (6639): 235.
01-03-2010, 08:46 PM
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The FAA should be watching itself.
It appears from early reports that these crews (at least in CLT and MBJ) were in excess of 12-14 hours on duty and attempting landings in challenging weather conditions. If you're fatigued and you're thrown into a tough situation, sometimes things aren't going to go well... hasn't it been determined that being on duty 12-14 hours or some number in that range puts your decision making and reaction abilities at those of someone who is legally intoxicated. Even though those duty times are normal to us airline pilots, it doesn't make them safe.
But, instead like always, the crews involved will just be disciplined and nothing will get done to actually fix the problem...
It appears from early reports that these crews (at least in CLT and MBJ) were in excess of 12-14 hours on duty and attempting landings in challenging weather conditions. If you're fatigued and you're thrown into a tough situation, sometimes things aren't going to go well... hasn't it been determined that being on duty 12-14 hours or some number in that range puts your decision making and reaction abilities at those of someone who is legally intoxicated. Even though those duty times are normal to us airline pilots, it doesn't make them safe.
But, instead like always, the crews involved will just be disciplined and nothing will get done to actually fix the problem...
01-03-2010, 09:39 PM
#18
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01-03-2010, 09:42 PM
#19
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In the past seven days I've seen at least two captains that were 350lbs easy. There needs to be a medical qual. Run a mile in X time etc. Some of these guys get tired just sitting there breathing. Hard to have any kind of energy when you can't see your feet.
01-04-2010, 07:07 AM
#20
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How bad does it have to get? I'll tell you----fatalities. That always gets results from reactive agencies.
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