Boogie Nights

If it had been a different airline would you have been so quick to defend? Wow what a hypocrite. If it had been your bag on United you would have been outraged.

Boogie Nights

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Boogie Nights

I believe every airline has a responsibility to EVERY passenger free or not to deliver their passengers and their bags to their destination safetly. While this may be only dream then so be it. To criticize a man for going after what is his shows no character. This is why we as a community don't come together and achieve a decent standard of living. Southwest (per my friends who work there) is a great place to work. That said even their employees make mistakes. What do you think Mr. Kelleher would have said? As a leader he probably would have helped a guy out.

All that said while I would have fought the fight I would have returned the $$$. Despite my need for it.

JDFlyer

Agreed.

However, SWA did deliver him to his destination SAFELY. His bag was also delivered SAFELY to a destination as well, PHX. This may initially have been the wrong destination because of an inadvertent mistake by a SWA employee. ALL airlines, including SWA deliver bags occasionally to the wrong city.

HOWEVER, his bag was STOLEN out of the PHX baggage claim before it could be properly re-directed to its rightful owner.

I have every confidence that BUT FOR THE FACT that his bag was STOLEN, SWA would have been able to properly return the gate checked bag to him. Maybe not right away, maybe after a few days, perhaps a week - I don't really know. This point is irrelevant.

The relevant point is that SWA could not get his bag to him because his bag was STOLEN. Did I mention that his bag was STOLEN? Apparently SWA is not just in the airline business, it is now in the insurance business. Insuring passengers against the criminal actions of third parties who are completely unrelated to SWA's business. Since SWA knows people get hungry, but does not serve full meals on their flights, maybe they should be liable to the passenger who gets food poisoning from eating at the airport restaurant before they board a SWA flight?

I truly wish his bag was never stolen. I truly understand that having your bag and its valuable contents STOLEN when trying to survive this industry on regional FO pay absolutely bites. I feel bad for people who get food poisoning at the airport.

Just my opinion, but the claim for compensatory damages is with the THIEF or the pilots renter's or homeowners insurance policy, not SWA. But in the end lets not fool ourselves anyway, the primary economic purpose of insurance is to shift the burden of economic liability/responsibility from those who are actually at fault, to those with the ability to pay.

goaround2000

Sold my soul? Wow! That's a great line, and man I didn't know we knew each other so well, I mean you hiding behind your screen name and all.

Nice try man, next time you want to flame someone, try the F.I. forums, I hear your buddy IC All is over there now.

I_Love_Lamp

The whole point is that SWA put the bag in a place where the bag COULD be stolen. Until 2005, SWA had employees checking bags and claim tags to prevent this stuff. They stopped doing it to save money, but the down side was liability. In fact, there was another bag theft ring unearthed in Phoenix a whole month before my bag was stolen. SWA knew that bag theft was a problem and didn't do anything to protect bags of which it had legal custodianship. That's how the law sees it.

Now, of course, because SWA had to pay me, they're now able to be listed as a "victim" in this crime from the woman. If she's found guilty, she'll owe SWA my $500, so I can't "double dip".

But the point still remains. If SWA still had positive bag match (or re-instituted it after the reality of bag theft came out in November). My bag wouldn't have been stolen. Another mitigating factor is that the bag was mislabeled, which led to my bag being sent to a different carousel nearly an hour after my flight arrived. I have 100% confidence that had my bag been labeled to PHX, it would've arrived safely with my ticket-counter-checked bag that arrived off the carousel without a problem.

Edit: and again, I can't reiterate enough that this isn't about airing some vendetta against SWA. It's a fine company, they just bungled this. It was just as likely to happen at any other airline as well, I realize this, so SWA guys don't take this as a personal attack.

Boogie Nights

If you read my earlier post I said that Airlines or airport should employ security to check tags like they used to. All airlines cheap out. Especially since airlines now charge bag fees, notably SWA does not, it should not make them any less liable. ALSO he did not know till a couple of days before the trial that it had been stolen. He brought it up at trial and still the court thought that the airline should bear the brunt. ALSO you only care because it is SWA. If it had been anyone else would you care, no!!!
Again I also said it while I would have gone to trial to prove a point I would not have taken the money. You need to chill out. You have drunk too much koolaid. SWA is not perfect. No place is. ALL airlines need to man up. ALL airlines should deliver people bags safley and also ensure the bags security. It is you who are not reading my posts.
Yes SWA is a great airline, that is not my point. SWA is not the point, or the problem, it is ensuring the safely of people and bags. The disappointing part is he was met with resistance by SWA who told him he had no rights because he flew on a Z fare. That is not custormer service. Again I think it was wrong he accepted gthe money. SWA bag office should have been more on the ball especially if bags are disappearing. Apparently you have never had to deal with poor customer service. Apparently you have never been a victim. Apparently you are willing to be a victim ( I want to say take something up the somewhere) to get a chance at a job you might never get. AGAIN SWA is not the point here. I am criticizing an industry standard and you are defending SWA who is part of the industry. Connect the dots.

Boogie Nights

You have been served. You are free to email me. I don't need to hide. I don't see your face or name next to your avitar
You don't defend your views nor have any reasonable reply to my arguments. Your earlier posts shows you to be a coolaid drinker I am just calling you on it. Talk to me after you have flown the line for 18 years.

TO QUOTE YOU
" would like to state for the record, that I_Love_Lamp does not represent the XJT pilot group in any shape or form, although he is a furloughed pilot here, his actions should not in any way be a reflection of our pilot group."

He never attacked SWA he was trying to get his bag back. Your above quote implies you speak for your pilot group, and I can assure you, that you don't. You should only speak for yourself. He never even implied he spoke or represented your pilot group only you. You give me the impression you are very full of yourself and a diehard SWA fan. I LIKE SWA too but there is far more to my life.

Keep the Nose Up
Boogie

JDFlyer

I am not sure exactly what you are smoking, but I am sure that it is still illegal in every state except maybe California come November.

Posting on this thread telling everybody who disagrees with you to "chill out" that we are "drinking the kool-aid". Telling me what I think or should think. You are a mind reader as well as a pilot? WOW!! I am truly impressed.

Guess what? People have different opinions than you. You are a real peach. I never personally attacked you, yet you feel the need to insult me and other other professional pilots, on a public forum, who view things differently than you.

As far as me willing to " . . . . take something up the somewhere . . . .to get a chance at a job (I) might never get." . . . . . all I have to say to that is . . . you have not a clue about the words you write . . . .

goaround2000

It's a free forum and you're welcome to your opinion. It's really not worth anything to me to get into a character attack with you or anyone, that makes me the better man, seeing as I didn't resort to name calling just as you did on the post that got deleted by the mods. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but I'm already swimming in somebody's pool.

This issue has no bearing on you, as such your opinion really is irrelevant to anyone. The facts do remain:

The user that goes by the name I_love_lamp is on the XJT seniority list, and although he used his current company's benefits on said flight; our jumpseat committees had to clear up the air due to the misrepresentation on behalf of both the original poster and other members on both sides of the fence. This was done in an effort to minimize the impact on jumpseaters for both carriers as facts only support the actions of an individual and not a the whole group.

If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to send me a PM without name calling like the matured-experienced-adult you claim to be. Although, I doubt you are even a pilot of any type, as most of us do not resort to personal attacks on this or any other medium.