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Old 12-11-2009, 12:36 PM
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Delta, Virgin Blue Joint Venture Gets Australian Nod

By Jay Boehmer

DECEMBER 10, 2009 -- Delta Air Lines today said the Australia Competition and Consumer Commission approved its antitrust-immune joint venture with Virgin Blue Airlines Group, though the U.S. Department of Transportation has yet to similarly bless the arrangement announced in July.

"Delta and V Australia are eager to move forward with their joint venture, and to bring new services to the market," Delta said today in a statement. "We look forward to a similar decision from the U.S. Department of Transportation and urge the DOT to quickly conclude its review so consumers can begin to enjoy the important benefits of the alliance identified by the ACCC."

DOT last month issued an order asking Delta and its potential joint venture partner for more information on their application for antitrust immunity. "We find that the additional information is necessary to analyze the application and make a decision," DOT wrote in the order last month.

Only after Delta and the Virgin group submit further information will DOT "establish a procedural schedule for comments and other such responsive pleadings necessary to act on the application," a process that could drag on for months if previous antitrust immunity applications are any indication.

Newcomers this year to U.S.-Australia routes Delta and the Virgin group in July announced plans to form the joint venture as a competitive alternative to Qantas Airlines and United Airlines, the carriers with the highest marketshare between the two countries. The carriers proposed immunity from antitrust laws so they can jointly cooperate "in the areas of planning, revenue and pricing, yield management, marketing and operations" (BTNonline, July 27). The structure is similar to joint ventures that have grown prominent among alliance partners on the U.S.-EU routes.

In its draft approval last month, ACCC proposed to grant authorization to the carriers "for a limited period of three years" to ensure public benefits are realized.

"The ACCC considers that the joint venture is likely to assist Virgin Blue and Delta to compete more effectively against the incumbents on the routes, Qantas and United Airlines," ACCC chairman Graeme Samuel said in a statement upon the ACCC's draft approval, which Delta indicated the commission finalized this month. "The entry of Virgin Blue and Delta on the transpacific routes has created strong competition on price and service in the market for passenger transport. The ACCC expects that this would continue to be the case under the new arrangements to the benefit of consumers," Samuel concluded.
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Yep, we will see how long we keep the LAX-SYD flight.

I would love to see a ATL-SYD flights.
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Yep, we will see how long we keep the LAX-SYD flight.
Wow, for an almost-MEC rep, that wasn't much of a fight...
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what size jets does Virgin Blue fly..........yes I know I can google it but lazy is my middle name.
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what size jets does Virgin Blue fly..........yes I know I can google it but lazy is my middle name.
Virgin Blue is 737s and EMB-170 & 190s, but they also own a subsidiary called V Australia that flies 777s
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Yep, we will see how long we keep the LAX-SYD flight.

I would love to see a ATL-SYD flights.
From what I hear, the LAX-SYD flight hasn't been all that profitable. Loads have been decent going down, not so hot coming back. The cat farmers love it though and rave about the hotel.
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Alright, so if management farms out the domestic flying to the RJs and now it seems that they are going to farm out the international stuff to these "joint ventures" then where does that leave us?
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Wow, for an almost-MEC rep, that wasn't much of a fight...
Cute Spliff.

You did not vote me in.
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Alright, so if management farms out the domestic flying to the RJs and now it seems that they are going to farm out the international stuff to these "joint ventures" then where does that leave us?
furloughed.

like me. welcome to da club....
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We have to agree to it! Time to put a foot down!
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