United to order Boeing and Airbus
12-07-2009, 08:18 PM
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United to order Boeing and Airbus
United to Buy Boeing, Airbus Jets: Exclusive | Aerospace/Defense | Financial Articles & Investing News | TheStreet.com
CHICAGO (TheStreet) -- United(UAUA Quote) is expected to announce Tuesday that it will order new widebody aircraft from both Boeing and Airbus, TheStreet.com has learned.
The order will be for both Boeing 787s and Airbus A350s, according to people familiar with the order, and would represent a major boost for each of the two manufacturers, since significant delays have hampered each aircraft's development. Spokesmen for Airbus, Boeing and United declined to comment.
The Boeing 787 "Dreamliner" is more than two years behind schedule, although Boeing has said the first one will fly by the end of 2009. Airbus, meanwhile, is expected to start to build the first A350 early next year.
United would become the last of the major U.S. airlines to place an order for one of the new airplanes. US Airways(LCC Quote) and Hawaiian Airlines(HA Quote) have ordered A350s, while American(AMR Quote), Continental(CAL Quote) and Delta(DAL Quote) have ordered the 787.
CHICAGO (TheStreet) -- United(UAUA Quote) is expected to announce Tuesday that it will order new widebody aircraft from both Boeing and Airbus, TheStreet.com has learned.
The order will be for both Boeing 787s and Airbus A350s, according to people familiar with the order, and would represent a major boost for each of the two manufacturers, since significant delays have hampered each aircraft's development. Spokesmen for Airbus, Boeing and United declined to comment.
The Boeing 787 "Dreamliner" is more than two years behind schedule, although Boeing has said the first one will fly by the end of 2009. Airbus, meanwhile, is expected to start to build the first A350 early next year.
United would become the last of the major U.S. airlines to place an order for one of the new airplanes. US Airways(LCC Quote) and Hawaiian Airlines(HA Quote) have ordered A350s, while American(AMR Quote), Continental(CAL Quote) and Delta(DAL Quote) have ordered the 787.
12-07-2009, 08:40 PM
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Considering United's historical tie to Boeing and the role United played in the 777, I don't see how this can be seen as anything other than a loss for Boeing. Couple this with United's recent retirement of the 737 fleet and you see this is quite a change for the former members of United Aircraft and Transport Corporation from the days of the 777.
12-08-2009, 02:42 AM
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United to Buy Boeing, Airbus Jets: Exclusive | Aerospace/Defense | Financial Articles & Investing News | TheStreet.com
CHICAGO (TheStreet) -- United(UAUA Quote) is expected to announce Tuesday that it will order new widebody aircraft from both Boeing and Airbus, TheStreet.com has learned.
The order will be for both Boeing 787s and Airbus A350s, according to people familiar with the order, and would represent a major boost for each of the two manufacturers, since significant delays have hampered each aircraft's development. Spokesmen for Airbus, Boeing and United declined to comment.
The Boeing 787 "Dreamliner" is more than two years behind schedule, although Boeing has said the first one will fly by the end of 2009. Airbus, meanwhile, is expected to start to build the first A350 early next year.
United would become the last of the major U.S. airlines to place an order for one of the new airplanes. US Airways(LCC Quote) and Hawaiian Airlines(HA Quote) have ordered A350s, while American(AMR Quote), Continental(CAL Quote) and Delta(DAL Quote) have ordered the 787.
CHICAGO (TheStreet) -- United(UAUA Quote) is expected to announce Tuesday that it will order new widebody aircraft from both Boeing and Airbus, TheStreet.com has learned.
The order will be for both Boeing 787s and Airbus A350s, according to people familiar with the order, and would represent a major boost for each of the two manufacturers, since significant delays have hampered each aircraft's development. Spokesmen for Airbus, Boeing and United declined to comment.
The Boeing 787 "Dreamliner" is more than two years behind schedule, although Boeing has said the first one will fly by the end of 2009. Airbus, meanwhile, is expected to start to build the first A350 early next year.
United would become the last of the major U.S. airlines to place an order for one of the new airplanes. US Airways(LCC Quote) and Hawaiian Airlines(HA Quote) have ordered A350s, while American(AMR Quote), Continental(CAL Quote) and Delta(DAL Quote) have ordered the 787.
Just in time for the retirement of the 747-400s. Don't expect to see growth from UAUA in the next 20 years, other than the cancerous growth that comes from a merger.
12-08-2009, 04:05 AM
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Don't forget the cancerous growth at the regionals. Park the 737's, more flying for GoJet. No orders or serious talk about a 100 seat replacement.
12-08-2009, 04:26 AM
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I think we all would like to know how to "predict" the future of the next 20 years like you have become able to......you are all knowing.....RIGHT!!!!
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12-08-2009, 06:39 AM
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???
Granted... I don't know much about these two new aircraft, but this order doesn't seem to make much sense to me. Aren't both of these aircraft designed with the same basic segment, 200-300 seats, in mind? Why would an airline want two different makes of aircraft, with all the associated differences in maintenance, spares, etc., that basically fit the same market niche? Someone in the know please enlighten me...
12-08-2009, 07:29 AM
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Granted... I don't know much about these two new aircraft, but this order doesn't seem to make much sense to me. Aren't both of these aircraft designed with the same basic segment, 200-300 seats, in mind? Why would an airline want two different makes of aircraft, with all the associated differences in maintenance, spares, etc., that basically fit the same market niche? Someone in the know please enlighten me...
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12-08-2009, 07:54 AM
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They'll never take delivery of these planes. They can't pay for them.
I'd be willing to bet that they are more likely financed at greater than 100%. United needs cash now badly and the manufacturers need orders. Say United orders $10B worth of jets financed at 110% (or some other similar arrangement), they just got a $1B cash infusion and Boeing/Airbus just got to put $10B worth of orders on the books.
It seems great now but it'll all come to a horrible end when United doesn't survive or can't pay up.
I'd be willing to bet that they are more likely financed at greater than 100%. United needs cash now badly and the manufacturers need orders. Say United orders $10B worth of jets financed at 110% (or some other similar arrangement), they just got a $1B cash infusion and Boeing/Airbus just got to put $10B worth of orders on the books.
It seems great now but it'll all come to a horrible end when United doesn't survive or can't pay up.
12-08-2009, 08:02 AM
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They'll never take delivery of these planes. They can't pay for them.
I'd be willing to bet that they are more likely financed at greater than 100%. United needs cash now badly and the manufacturers need orders. Say United orders $10B worth of jets financed at 110% (or some other similar arrangement), they just got a $1B cash infusion and Boeing/Airbus just got to put $10B worth of orders on the books.
It seems great now but it'll all come to a horrible end when United doesn't survive or can't pay up.
I'd be willing to bet that they are more likely financed at greater than 100%. United needs cash now badly and the manufacturers need orders. Say United orders $10B worth of jets financed at 110% (or some other similar arrangement), they just got a $1B cash infusion and Boeing/Airbus just got to put $10B worth of orders on the books.
It seems great now but it'll all come to a horrible end when United doesn't survive or can't pay up.
The can set it up, pay their deposits, but the financing does become effective until their is a asset to finance.....
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