JumpSeater

Is Allegiant currently accepting applications? I searched the site, but to no avail, which means that I am now completely inept or it has been taken down. Thanks to whomever can help. I am now accepting internal recommedations, too.

MD80driver2day

Not currently hiring.... maybe soon. The link should go back up when we start again.

PurpleCRJ

According to APC, Allegiant, Virgin, and JB pilots make more $ (or about the same) in their first and second year than United, US Airways, and Continental pilots do. If you're not looking at those first couple years, remember that most new hires at these union carriers get furloughed before they get 3rd year pay anyway. Well, maybe not continental, but the point is that the pay is not really that low in todays game. The "reason" for the lower pay across the board is probably because there are just more pilots and more competition. Supply and demand seems to play a bigger role than unions. It's not like the pilots at Allegiant wouldn't have taken a job at Delta if they were offered one (in many cases). So what are they supposed to do for work? Stay at some crappy regional? Well, you probably wouldn't approve of that either. So, I guess they should just buckle up and strike until they get $100/hr for new hires. Times have changed.

cactusmike

Yeah, ALPA and Teamsters have done so much for the pilot profession since deregulation. And don't give me the "Flying the Line" BS. I've read the books and the heaviest part of the lifting was done in a regulated environment. ALPA has done little right in the last 20 years and nothing in the last 9.

The only reason a union is useful is to get a contract. And then you are hancuffed by the RLA to that contract. AWA went ALPA after our pay and workrules were cut and altered by management when we went CH 11 in the early 90s. Before that we had a Flight Advisory Board that actually had negotiated some pretty good workrules, although the pay was poor by the standards of that time. Now look 15 years later. We have had about a 10 % payrate increase in that time and the rest of the (unionized) industry has sunk down to our level, although that is starting to change with the latest agreements. We will still not see any pay raise because our East brothers and sisters won't negotiate with the arbitrated seniority list but hey, we have a union, don't we. A union with little more than 55% members. Yeah, a lot will get done there.

A union will not get you much more than an inhouse advisory group can in the good times. There is some advantage to having the resources a National union can provide but it never got AWA pay parity with anyone until the industry took a dump. And selfish pilots can ruin a union just as fast as an inhouse can.

So enjoy the growth and new TA you guys have at Allegient. It is fun to work at a growing airline. I know because I worked at one until 5 years ago.

MD80driver2day

New pay rates being voted on right now...

Captains top out at 12 year @ $160 an hour, and FO's @ $97 an hour. All rates have a range that can adjust every 6 months based on operating margin. The bottom numbers are still a $15-20 an hour raise.

A union may have its place at Allegiant someday... that day hasn't arrived here yet.

IQuitEagle

Those numbers may be a bit misleading. That is the scale at the top end, if the company has incredible profit margins. We most likely will never see those rates, as 2009 was a really good year for the company, and if based in 2009 numbers, we still wouldn't be compensated at those rates.

With 2009 numbers though, the compensation is significantly better than it is now.

And I don't think the union issue is dead yet. At least I hope not.

JumpSeater

Thank you, MD80driver2day.

PCL_128

Only you and the rest of your fellow Allegiant pilots would know whether the company is living up to the agreement or not, so I won't comment on that, but I will say that the document is NOT legally binding in any way whatsoever. The company can change it at a whim if they so choose.

Only a true contract negotiated by a legally-recognized collective bargaining agent under the auspices of the NMB would be legally binding.

INXS

Dang it!

Next, they'll have us flying the 75's for the same rate as the 80's.

MD80driver2day

Maybe not dead yet, but the fat lady is humming loudly.