Allegiant
01-26-2010, 06:27 PM
#71
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
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Have you ever considered that the REASON pay may be coming down is precisely BECAUSE Companies like Allegiant can get people to work for their wages/work rules?
They make their profit on the backs of labor by undercutting Union contracts. And if you don't think Union Company managers don't sit up and take notice, you're deluded.
Allegiant, Virgin and jetBlue pilots who fly narrowbody airplanes for 2/3rds of Union pay scales are the reason our pay is degrading.
That doesn't make them a "great Company" in my book. And the pilots who work there? No comment.
They make their profit on the backs of labor by undercutting Union contracts. And if you don't think Union Company managers don't sit up and take notice, you're deluded.
Allegiant, Virgin and jetBlue pilots who fly narrowbody airplanes for 2/3rds of Union pay scales are the reason our pay is degrading.
That doesn't make them a "great Company" in my book. And the pilots who work there? No comment.
01-26-2010, 06:30 PM
#72
Lifer
Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: MD80 CA
Posts: 176
Big Guns, is that you Perez Hilton?
01-26-2010, 06:56 PM
#75
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2005
Posts: 41
It's actually very simple. We have an in house advisory group made up of pilots. We engage management in negotiations and come to an agreement. That agreement is then voted on by the pilots, and if ratified, goes into effect.
We have a working agreement with management that with the exception of some work rules, they have lived up to. It's a legally binding document as well. It doesn't have the same protections if we were under the RLA and the means of dispute are different, but it's legally binding nevertheless.
We have a working agreement with management that with the exception of some work rules, they have lived up to. It's a legally binding document as well. It doesn't have the same protections if we were under the RLA and the means of dispute are different, but it's legally binding nevertheless.
I think you are giving erroneous information on why the in house advisory group is even negotiating with management from the first place. These rates we are about to see are not because we negotiated them, but rather attempting to keep ALPA off the property.
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01-26-2010, 07:02 PM
#76
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Position: MD80 Captain
Posts: 165
Chperplt,
I think you are giving erroneous information on why the in house advisory group is even negotiating with management from the first place. These rates we are about to see are not because we negotiated them, but rather attempting to keep ALPA off the property.
Alpa > Organizing > Allegiant Organizing
I think you are giving erroneous information on why the in house advisory group is even negotiating with management from the first place. These rates we are about to see are not because we negotiated them, but rather attempting to keep ALPA off the property.
Alpa > Organizing > Allegiant Organizing
WRONG... The question was not why are we getting the large raise we are getting. The question was how does a non union entity negotiate. Our in house advisory group has been negotiating with management long before the current ALPA drive.
Let's not confuse the situation. There are no losers here, so don't feel bad.
01-27-2010, 05:27 AM
#77
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: B757F CA
Posts: 409
Sad, sad. Allegiant pilots, looking back at my 20yrs. in the business, I can't believe you guys don't want representation. The legal representation alone is worth the union dues. Please don't worry about how the company makes money, just fight for what you believe your skills are worth. BTW, running old equipment when the price of fuel goes nowhere but up will constantly make you sucks for accepting lower and lower wages. You boys are professionals, act like it.
Teamsters for Life,
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Teamsters for Life,
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But true, in no way do I want Teamsters representing my interests in the airline business.
01-27-2010, 05:54 AM
#78
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 420
Quick question . . .
I have read the "official" preferred minimums for hiring at Allegiant on the Airline Pilot Central website, but does anybody know what current, actual, competitive experience is to get hired?
Just curious. Thanks.
Just curious. Thanks.
01-28-2010, 03:43 AM
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