Allegiant
01-26-2010, 02:12 PM
#61
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 747 FO
Posts: 175
I think this is what the playbook looks like with this topic:
1) attack the pay rates even if they are 1 dollar lower per hour.
2) if they resolve that then attack the retirement.
3) if the above is resolved attack them if they are non-union.
4) Next attack the cities they fly to if less desirable than your airline.
5) Having trouble? Next attack the fleet type if it is older than what your place has.
6) Go after the CEO.
7) If it all looks solid dig into the airlines history. Target any past pay for training type arrangements. (If you are dealing with a SWA joker happy about his employment- go after the pay for type rating deal)
8) If all the ducks are still in a row go after the attractiveness and age of FA's.
9) Research scab and strike history- you may find opportunities here. Go back 30-40 years if you have to.
10) Look at accident history-this is fair game even if the accident happened as far back as the Carter administration.
11) Consider an argument about upgrade time.
12) Simply make up something and see if you can slip one past the goalie. Make it look like fact by adding numbers/percentages to it.
13) Still nothing working? go after the spelling. Words such as "there" and "your" will always yield you an opportunity. Caution: use spell check when doing this- type it on a word document first-then drop the hammer.
I think the above is how it works after reading these boards for about 10 years now. You will not win here. Whatever you do, make sure you don't have any past posts from years ago that reveal you were trying to get hired at the airline you are slamming, someone always has the time to dig for hours checking past posts. Go back and delete these or register a new user name to get the job done.
1) attack the pay rates even if they are 1 dollar lower per hour.
2) if they resolve that then attack the retirement.
3) if the above is resolved attack them if they are non-union.
4) Next attack the cities they fly to if less desirable than your airline.
5) Having trouble? Next attack the fleet type if it is older than what your place has.
6) Go after the CEO.
7) If it all looks solid dig into the airlines history. Target any past pay for training type arrangements. (If you are dealing with a SWA joker happy about his employment- go after the pay for type rating deal)
8) If all the ducks are still in a row go after the attractiveness and age of FA's.
9) Research scab and strike history- you may find opportunities here. Go back 30-40 years if you have to.
10) Look at accident history-this is fair game even if the accident happened as far back as the Carter administration.
11) Consider an argument about upgrade time.
12) Simply make up something and see if you can slip one past the goalie. Make it look like fact by adding numbers/percentages to it.
13) Still nothing working? go after the spelling. Words such as "there" and "your" will always yield you an opportunity. Caution: use spell check when doing this- type it on a word document first-then drop the hammer.
I think the above is how it works after reading these boards for about 10 years now. You will not win here. Whatever you do, make sure you don't have any past posts from years ago that reveal you were trying to get hired at the airline you are slamming, someone always has the time to dig for hours checking past posts. Go back and delete these or register a new user name to get the job done.
01-26-2010, 02:49 PM
#62
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,068
We can all agree that their rates are low, and the guys from Allegiant said they are in negotiations to raise them.
What more do you want from them right now?
P.S. If you were to look back at every airlines pay rates from the day they opened the doors, I don't think you would see top dollar. I know SWA, for one, was this way. Look what they have been able to achieve with patience and smart negotiations over the past 30 years.
Allegiant is a start up airline, and doesn't have an enormous pile of money to throw at their pilots, yet. They've been busy buying airplanes and growing the airline.
I could start an airline tomorrow and pay everyone $300/hr., but I bet my money would run out pretty quick when I charge $99 for tickets from Rapid City to Vegas.
01-26-2010, 04:30 PM
#64
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: Mad Dog
Posts: 82
01-26-2010, 04:36 PM
#65
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: C47 PIC/747-400 SIC
Posts: 2,100
I think this is what the playbook looks like with this topic:
1) attack the pay rates even if they are 1 dollar lower per hour.
2) if they resolve that then attack the retirement.
3) if the above is resolved attack them if they are non-union.
4) Next attack the cities they fly to if less desirable than your airline.
5) Having trouble? Next attack the fleet type if it is older than what your place has.
6) Go after the CEO.
7) If it all looks solid dig into the airlines history. Target any past pay for training type arrangements. (If you are dealing with a SWA joker happy about his employment- go after the pay for type rating deal)
8) If all the ducks are still in a row go after the attractiveness and age of FA's.
9) Research scab and strike history- you may find opportunities here. Go back 30-40 years if you have to.
10) Look at accident history-this is fair game even if the accident happened as far back as the Carter administration.
11) Consider an argument about upgrade time.
12) Simply make up something and see if you can slip one past the goalie. Make it look like fact by adding numbers/percentages to it.
13) Still nothing working? go after the spelling. Words such as "there" and "your" will always yield you an opportunity. Caution: use spell check when doing this- type it on a word document first-then drop the hammer.
I think the above is how it works after reading these boards for about 10 years now. You will not win here. Whatever you do, make sure you don't have any past posts from years ago that reveal you were trying to get hired at the airline you are slamming, someone always has the time to dig for hours checking past posts. Go back and delete these or register a new user name to get the job done.
1) attack the pay rates even if they are 1 dollar lower per hour.
2) if they resolve that then attack the retirement.
3) if the above is resolved attack them if they are non-union.
4) Next attack the cities they fly to if less desirable than your airline.
5) Having trouble? Next attack the fleet type if it is older than what your place has.
6) Go after the CEO.
7) If it all looks solid dig into the airlines history. Target any past pay for training type arrangements. (If you are dealing with a SWA joker happy about his employment- go after the pay for type rating deal)
8) If all the ducks are still in a row go after the attractiveness and age of FA's.
9) Research scab and strike history- you may find opportunities here. Go back 30-40 years if you have to.
10) Look at accident history-this is fair game even if the accident happened as far back as the Carter administration.
11) Consider an argument about upgrade time.
12) Simply make up something and see if you can slip one past the goalie. Make it look like fact by adding numbers/percentages to it.
13) Still nothing working? go after the spelling. Words such as "there" and "your" will always yield you an opportunity. Caution: use spell check when doing this- type it on a word document first-then drop the hammer.
I think the above is how it works after reading these boards for about 10 years now. You will not win here. Whatever you do, make sure you don't have any past posts from years ago that reveal you were trying to get hired at the airline you are slamming, someone always has the time to dig for hours checking past posts. Go back and delete these or register a new user name to get the job done.
01-26-2010, 05:19 PM
#66
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: MD80 Captain
Posts: 165
Actually, what I'm saying is this...
Enjoy your hotel... I'll enjoy my own bed every night. Enjoy your airport food. I'll enjoy my home brought meals every day. Enjoy seeing your kids 2 or 3 days a week. I'll enjoy seeing my kids every night.
We're not undercutting anyone dip ****... I'm sure your company is going to come to you and say they want cuts because a small little MD80 operator based in Vegas pays their pilots less. Get a clue you %*&#!&@ moron.
01-26-2010, 05:24 PM
#67
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: MD80 Captain
Posts: 165
We have a working agreement with management that with the exception of some work rules, they have lived up to. It's a legally binding document as well. It doesn't have the same protections if we were under the RLA and the means of dispute are different, but it's legally binding nevertheless.
01-26-2010, 06:04 PM
#69
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 82
Sad, sad. Allegiant pilots, looking back at my 20yrs. in the business, I can't believe you guys don't want representation. The legal representation alone is worth the union dues. Please don't worry about how the company makes money, just fight for what you believe your skills are worth. BTW, running old equipment when the price of fuel goes nowhere but up will constantly make you sucks for accepting lower and lower wages. You boys are professionals, act like it.
Teamsters for Life,
166
Teamsters for Life,
166
01-26-2010, 06:06 PM
#70
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: MD80 Captain
Posts: 165
Sad, sad. Allegiant pilots, looking back at my 20yrs. in the business, I can't believe you guys don't want representation. The legal representation alone is worth the union dues. Please don't worry about how the company makes money, just fight for what you believe your skills are worth. BTW, running old equipment when the price of fuel goes nowhere but up will constantly make you sucks for accepting lower and lower wages. You boys are professionals, act like it.
Teamsters for Life,
166
Teamsters for Life,
166
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