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Old 01-26-2010, 05:19 AM
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Yes.

New pay rates are being voted on now. And although not perfect, it will be a substantial improvement.
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Old 01-26-2010, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
Now if only they could pay their employee's descent wages...

$61 for a FO and $124 for a CA on a 150,000lbs a/c... Come on...

You fly the MD80 and don't know how much it weights?
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Originally Posted by Chperplt
You fly the MD80 and don't know how much it weights?
What? Our MD-88s have a Ramp Wt of 150,500lbs and a MTOW of 149,500lbs.
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Old 01-26-2010, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by IQuitEagle
Yes.

New pay rates are being voted on now. And although not perfect, it will be a substantial improvement.
What are the rates being voted on now?

Current rate year 1 to year 12:
AA CA $149-$161.
DL CA $139-$155.
FL CA $102-$153. (B717)
DL CA $139-$151. (DC9)
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all new rates? like said voting to be done soon i'm sure it will be public shortly after that.
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Originally Posted by BigGuns
What? Our MD-88s have a Ramp Wt of 150,500lbs and a MTOW of 149,500lbs.

Our 88's are 160,000 lb birds..
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Old 01-26-2010, 11:13 AM
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[quoteCurrent rate year 1 to year 12:
AA CA $149-$161.
DL CA $139-$155.
FL CA $102-$153. (B717)
DL CA $139-$151. (DC9)[/quote]

HA CA $153-$157 (B717)
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Old 01-26-2010, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Chperplt
Our 88's are 160,000 lb birds..
So, are you saying that b/c your lift capacity is 7% higher on the same equipment, we should plan to see rates 7% higher than DAL?? Or will Allegiant continue to under cut the industry ?
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Old 01-26-2010, 01:38 PM
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all new rates? like said voting to be done soon i'm sure it will be public shortly after that.
Do non-union pilots vote on pay rates? And if the do, without a contract what requires an airline to abide by them?
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Old 01-26-2010, 01:51 PM
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I think this is what the playbook looks like with this topic:

1) attack the pay rates even if they are 1 dollar lower per hour.
2) if they resolve that then attack the retirement.
3) if the above is resolved attack them if they are non-union.
4) Next attack the cities they fly to if less desirable than your airline.
5) Having trouble? Next attack the fleet type if it is older than what your place has.
6) Go after the CEO.
7) If it all looks solid dig into the airlines history. Target any past pay for training type arrangements. (If you are dealing with a SWA joker happy about his employment- go after the pay for type rating deal)
8) If all the ducks are still in a row go after the attractiveness and age of FA's.
9) Research scab and strike history- you may find opportunities here. Go back 30-40 years if you have to.
10) Look at accident history-this is fair game even if the accident happened as far back as the Carter administration.
11) Consider an argument about upgrade time.
12) Simply make up something and see if you can slip one past the goalie. Make it look like fact by adding numbers/percentages to it.
13) Still nothing working? go after the spelling. Words such as "there" and "your" will always yield you an opportunity. Caution: use spell check when doing this- type it on a word document first-then drop the hammer.

I think the above is how it works after reading these boards for about 10 years now. You will not win here. Whatever you do, make sure you don't have any past posts from years ago that reveal you were trying to get hired at the airline you are slamming, someone always has the time to dig for hours checking past posts. Go back and delete these or register a new user name to get the job done.
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